Thanks Risker. Maybe there is a mixing of levels here.
I am urging that we address things have become broken on a deep level, namely the gap between what the board says and what James has said and the destruction of trust caused by that gap.
If all Pierre was doing was saying that he disagreed with the November decision, that has really nothing to do with what I am trying to discuss. My sense was that he was responding on the level I was discussing and saying that the decision itself was trust-destroying. Perhaps I was wrong. That could well be.
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Hold on, Jytdog, I think you're reading more into Pierre's statement than is really there.
Pierre has not said the decision to retain the ED "was itself trust-destroying for [him]". He said it was a mistake, and he said it was a mistake because the board was wrong to think that the ED could recover from a 90% staff disapproval level.
He also pointed out that "[i]f the board decide to keep the CEO/ED, the board cannot go and undermine the authority of the CEO by communicating doubts". Thus he is not particularly concerned about the board saying the support was unanimous. Pierre's concern is that the board thought it was a good idea to keep an ED with a 90% staff disapproval rating.
Risker/Anne
On 7 March 2016 at 18:24, jytdog jytdog@gmail.com wrote:
Pierre that is exactly what I struggle with. You are saying that
throwing
integrity out the window in the name of politics is OK. I am saying it
is
absolutely not OK. The individuals representing the board should have
been
honest and simply said "The board supports the ED" and left it at that,
and
if asked, yes, been honest that support was not unanimous.
Misrepresenting
things a) accomplished nothing, as we can see now, and b) opened huge
rifts
that remain gaping today.
I do hear you, that the decision to retain the ED in November was itself trust-destroying for you, because you view that as such bad judgement. I hear that.
To me, making public misrepresentations is another thing altogether. It calls into question whether folks are even telling the truth, and that
just
destroys the very basis for authentic conversation. It is a deeper
wound.
This to me, bars the way to move forward.
How do we trust what the board says going forward? How can the board be effective, when people cannot trust what its members say about its decisions?
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Pierre-Selim pierre-selim@huard.info wrote:
Seriously ?
If the board decide to keep the CEO/ED, the board cannot go and
undermine
the authority of the CEO by communicating doubts.
The mistake was not to say unanimous support but the "keep the ED"
straw
poll result. It really surprised me because the more you wait the more
it
costs (talents leave, delayed arrival of a new CEO, ...), and honnestly there is no recovery possible at 90% of disapproval from your staff (C-levels included). Le 7 mars 2016 7:16 PM, "jytdog" jytdog@gmail.com a écrit :
Craig, thanks for your reply on this. This is actually not about HR matters. It is about what board members chose to do and say.
It would have made little difference in the RW if they had said "the
board
supports Lila" (and if there was a majority vote for that, the board
did
support Lila) vs "the board unanimously supports Lila". They chose
to
state the latter. That has nothing to do with Lila per se, and
everything
to do with the choices individuals made in representing what the
board
actually did.
This is what I meant. Poor processes poorly executed definitely
allowed
this to happen; if board votes were accurately recorded in minutes
and
swiftly published, what happened would not be even possible or would
be
so
foolish that no one would do it. But these were still choices that individuals made in the context that existed.
These choices and those of other board members - as individuals -
have
created an unbearable set of contradictions that need to resolved.
This
is
what we should focus on. I hope you can see that the HR angle is a a distraction from that, as this has nothing to do with WMF staff per
se.
Yes we should also urge the board to develop more rigorous procedures
and
to follow them more closely to make it harder for individuals to make
bad
choices, but there is still resolving what did happen, so that we can
go
forward.
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:50 AM, Craig Franklin <
cfranklin@halonetwork.net>
wrote:
To be honest, I consider it unlikely that Patricio or anyone else
is
going
to discuss HR matters at length in public, even when they concern
Lila,
and
especially when they could potentially be interpreted as negative
towards a
particular identifiable individual. For legal reasons, it might be
the
case that the BoT will let Lila have as dignified an exit as
possible
from
the organisation, without putting a whole bunch of information into
the
public domain about how they regarded her performance.
Cheers, Craig
On 7 March 2016 at 16:39, Oliver Keyes ironholds@gmail.com
wrote:
+1. I would also very much appreciate Patricio explaining whether
the
"full confidence of the board" actually meant the full
confidence:
IOW, that a vote was taken and everyone unanimously agreed that
Lila's
continuation was the best thing.
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