Hey Lodewijk,
I'm definetly talking about the legal concept of a union yeah (which
triggers a lot of legal protections which, at least in the US, are somewhat
assumed when people talk about organizing internally). I do think there are
other options (both formal and informal) which is what I was referring to
in the "There are other options I imagine" bit. As one example the staff
asked for at least one non c-level staff member, chosen by the staff, to be
on the ED search team and the board has suggested that would be accepted
(Obviously it isn't done yet but it was acknowledged as a good idea in an
all staff email). I think that's the first example of a more formal
'representation' for non c-level staff that I've seen in the almost 6 years
I've been in WMF. Informally, of course, staff have been organizing over
the past couple months at different levels trying to help us through
difficult times.
[I should point out that I actually think our c-levels have been, and are,
traditionally very good at representing the needs of the staff as a whole
however having a lower level staff member representative, especially in
times like this, is still very useful both for appearances/trust and for a
different perspective then someone who would be a direct report]
James
On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
wrote:
Hi James,
just to understand correctly: are you talking only about the legal concept
of a 'union' or also about all informal structures where the wmf staff
could somehow influence how things go? I mean for example, I could imagine
that in an organisation with more than 100 people, a representation of
sorts outside the usual hierarchy might be imaginable and potentially
beneficial. That representation could possibly be to the board, to the
C-team or otherwise. Or are such structures already in existance (have been
in existance)?
Lodewijk
On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 9:51 PM, James Alexander <jamesofur(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
A traditional union is also difficult, honestly,
because of the nature of
the WMF as an incredibly global organization. We are a huge mix of staff
in
SF from the US, staff in SF on Visas (I don't
know if this matters), Full
Time Equivalent contractors outside the US (and numerous different ways
to
do that os that it's better for the staff
member such as being a 'vender'
of a sole company etc), temporary contractors and more. I am not perfect
at
Labour law but I'm fairly certainly not all
of those can actually
unionize
together officially and so no matter what we do a
huge portion of the
force
would be outside of a union and not get the legal
protections that
provides. There are other options I imagine, and people are looking into
it, but sadly unionization laws weren't really written with the idea of
us
in mind.
Now that said I'm not 100% sure a union would really be the most
beneficial
thing for the org. I'm just not sure they
would be able to fix many of
our
issues while at the same time probably adding
some of their own. They can
be hugely beneficial when used in the right place but I'm not sure this
is
one of those (they also take a long time to set
up and so would not
really
help for the specific, current, issues). Of
course as a manager I don't
have a vote (and won't be protected) anyway if we go down that route so
my
opinion is mostly academic.
James
User:Jamesofur
[Manager, Trust & Safety, WMF]
On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hoi,
> That would not be a bad idea in and of itself. However, the kind of
> troubles are not necessarily the kind where a Union has its experience.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On 5 March 2016 at 20:45, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > On 05/03/16 16:49, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> > > Arguably, the employees have a bigger stake in the Wikimedia
> Foundation,
> > > they are not even represented.
> >
> >
> > Then they should unionise?
> >
> > Gordo
> >
> >
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