Distinguish Wikipedians,
I earlier thought I'm probably the only Wikipedian who edit and create articles with smartphone until I saw User:Cullen328's essay on "Smartphone editing" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328/Smartphone_editing). Although, I have a personal computer but there are millions of people out there who do not have their own personal computer. we do not all live in suburbia with unlimited access to computers. I can say that almost everyone have access to smartphones (Android, Blackberry etc). I created over 500 articles with smartphone, 9 of the articles featured on DYK and I promoted one of the articles to GA status. I hope that this will help motivate public intellectuals, Wikimedia outreach coordinators, Wikipedia education managers and opinion leaders who explain Wikipedia editing to the general public to acknowledge that editing by smartphone is practical for those who are interested, even if it is not every editor's cup of tea and outreach to new editors should include positive information about smartphone editing per user:Cullen328's essay.
Warm regards,
Olatunde Isaac.
Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN
-----Original Message----- From: wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org Sender: "Wikimedia-l" wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.orgDate: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:28:43 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Reply-To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 142, Issue 142
Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org
You can reach the person managing the list at wikimedia-l-owner@lists.wikimedia.org
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Wikimedia-l digest..."
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Happy Magnus Manske Day! (Steinsplitter Wiki) 2. Re: Profile of Magnus Manske (Andreas Kolbe) 3. Re: Profile of Magnus Manske (Gerard Meijssen) 4. Re: Profile of Magnus Manske (Andreas Kolbe) 5. Re: Profile of Magnus Manske (Gerard Meijssen) 6. Re: Profile of Magnus Manske (Gerard Meijssen) 7. Re: Profile of Magnus Manske (Jane Darnell)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 13:33:54 +0100 From: Steinsplitter Wiki steinsplitter-wiki@live.com To: "wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org" wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Happy Magnus Manske Day! Message-ID: DUB124-W2B29FBDE6E8FD515EB9F6E6C70@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Magnus moved Wikipedia forward by coding mediawiki.
And he is still creating useful tools. Thanks Magnus for your hard work!
We can be proud to have Magnus in the Wikimedia movement.
--- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Magnus_Manske_Day --
------------------------------
Message: 2 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 13:55:53 +0000 From: Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske Message-ID: CAHRTtW_5fQMfevRyf4Ve78=8DQh0Hb03p+DOgTdSuhJ+DWO_jg@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
What you hear is "Wikidata is unreliable" (compared to the respective Wikipedia; proof, anyone? Please, show me proof; silence or anecdotes don't count)
Any non-trivial content you want to add to Wikipedia today has to fulfil one basic criterion: that the content be traceable to a professionally published source.
Most Wikidata content fails that criterion.[1] It's blooming obvious that Wikidata is "unreliable" according to Wikipedia's definition of a "reliable source", isn't it?[2]
[1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/stats.php [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:SPS
------------------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 15:32:14 +0100 From: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske Message-ID: CAO53wxXzKo6_ZP-5Yty-F4rhD=iPOa6u+ttCZsV=2uFixVrh0w@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Hoi, Maybe.. but not all Wikipedias are the same. It is verifiable that Wikipedia would easily benefit from Wikidata from Wikidata by replacing the existing links and red links with functionality that uses Wikidata.
It happens often that I work on content in Wikipedia and find an error rate of 20%. When you check Wikidata for its quality I expect it to be much better than 90%.
It is blooming obvious that Wikipedians only see fault elsewhere and are forgiving for the error in their own way. Thanks, GerardM
On 25 January 2016 at 14:55, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Magnus Manske < magnusmanske@googlemail.com> wrote:
What you hear is "Wikidata is unreliable" (compared to the respective Wikipedia; proof, anyone? Please, show me proof; silence or anecdotes
don't
count)
Any non-trivial content you want to add to Wikipedia today has to fulfil one basic criterion: that the content be traceable to a professionally published source.
Most Wikidata content fails that criterion.[1] It's blooming obvious that Wikidata is "unreliable" according to Wikipedia's definition of a "reliable source", isn't it?[2]
[1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/stats.php [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:SPS _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
------------------------------
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 15:11:26 +0000 From: Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske Message-ID: CAHRTtW-_-3Tf7ED=0zipLTiCQMKRziVScVj2gGoqyKFrRZCM3A@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
It happens often that I work on content in Wikipedia and find an error rate of 20%.
Could you give some specific examples of such cases, with links to the relevant article versions?
Andreas
------------------------------
Message: 5 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:29:49 +0100 From: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske Message-ID: CAO53wxX7zu=sQ61ToNML=L-90HPJH=J6Zf-3Oz9HDYoBEMVy7A@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Hoi, I regularly blog. It was mentioned in one of my blogposts [1].. By the way the obvious would be to do some research yourself. Paper tigers [2] are those tigers that rely on what others have to say, Thanks., GerardM
[1] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/01/wikipedia-recovery-and-mental-hea... [2] http://www.letusdiy.org/uploads/userup/0911/3000041GC2.jpg
On 25 January 2016 at 16:11, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
It happens often that I work on content in Wikipedia and find an error
rate
of 20%.
Could you give some specific examples of such cases, with links to the relevant article versions?
Andreas _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
------------------------------
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:32:00 +0100 From: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske Message-ID: CAO53wxUrgr1dOugea3xx+DW0X9m3SbXx9MZVEe38Tm8_ndSpbQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Hoi, Eh, wrong link ... http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/01/wikipedia-20-error-rate.html
On 25 January 2016 at 17:29, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, I regularly blog. It was mentioned in one of my blogposts [1].. By the way the obvious would be to do some research yourself. Paper tigers [2] are those tigers that rely on what others have to say, Thanks., GerardM
[1] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/01/wikipedia-recovery-and-mental-hea... [2] http://www.letusdiy.org/uploads/userup/0911/3000041GC2.jpg
On 25 January 2016 at 16:11, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
It happens often that I work on content in Wikipedia and find an error
rate
of 20%.
Could you give some specific examples of such cases, with links to the relevant article versions?
Andreas _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
------------------------------
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 18:28:40 +0100 From: Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske Message-ID: CAFVcA-E0HwX+9e4nG3hgjk7ewSxgoQW-Xo=jYVZ7RY95cYzpMw@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Actually I think Wikidata is sourced more thoroughly than any single Wikipedia. Looking at the last chart in those stats, less than 10% of all items have zero sitelinks, and we can't see in the stats whether 100% of those have zero referenced statements, but I would assume that is not the case, especially since items with zero sitelinks and zero internal Wikidata links tend to be "cleaned up and deleted". At least one sitelink means the item is coming from a Wikipedia, and therefore the Wikipedia article will have references that could be used in the Wikidata item and just haven't been added yet. Of all the items with zero or just one statement, I expect a great deal of these to be linked to categories, disambiguation pages, or lists, as these types of items generally only contain one statement.
Also, we currently have no way to count unreferenced statements in Wikipedia articles, but there are very few Wikipedia articles that have at least one reference per sentence. So concluding that any single unreferenced statement no matter how many other referenced statements there are in the item brings an entire Wikidata item into the "untrustworthy zone" is just silly.
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Maybe.. but not all Wikipedias are the same. It is verifiable that Wikipedia would easily benefit from Wikidata from Wikidata by replacing the existing links and red links with functionality that uses Wikidata.
It happens often that I work on content in Wikipedia and find an error rate of 20%. When you check Wikidata for its quality I expect it to be much better than 90%.
It is blooming obvious that Wikipedians only see fault elsewhere and are forgiving for the error in their own way. Thanks, GerardM
On 25 January 2016 at 14:55, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Magnus Manske < magnusmanske@googlemail.com> wrote:
What you hear is "Wikidata is unreliable" (compared to the respective Wikipedia; proof, anyone? Please, show me proof; silence or anecdotes
don't
count)
Any non-trivial content you want to add to Wikipedia today has to fulfil one basic criterion: that the content be traceable to a professionally published source.
Most Wikidata content fails that criterion.[1] It's blooming obvious that Wikidata is "unreliable" according to Wikipedia's definition of a
"reliable
source", isn't it?[2]
[1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/stats.php [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:SPS _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
------------------------------
Subject: Digest Footer
_______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
------------------------------
End of Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 142, Issue 142 *********************************************