Actually I went last year to a winter retreat in Plum Village, a
mindfulness monastery in southern France, and the focus was cultivating
civility (loving-kindness they call it) and inner peace. I thought, well,
if besides of that one could contribute free knowledge here I would join
right away :)
I wonder if I would be the only one :P
Cheers,
Micru
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote:
With vows of civility and NPOV
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A Wikimedia monastery! ^_^
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On 26 Feb 2016, at 08:39, David Cuenca Tudela
<dacuetu(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I think there are more ways of supporting volunteers than just paying
them cash. For instance another option could be to offer them a place
to stay, food and healthcare. That is how many volunteer programs
work, like workaway or woofing, and I don't see anything wrong with it.
Would it be an acceptable compromise?
Regards,
Micru
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 6:49 AM, David Goodman <dggenwp(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Involving the foundation as a broker would corrupt the Foundation
> altogether. It would in essence turn it into an advertising agency.
> We're supposed to be different from Google. Google earns money by
> letting itself be used as a medium for advertising. It at least hopes
to
achieve this by
> while not being evil, and succeeds
reasonably well at the compromise.
>
> Wikipedia fortunately does not need to earn money, as ordinary people
> freely give us more than enough for our needs, and can therefore
> hope to achieve the positive good of providing objective information
> on encyclopedic topics that people want to read about, not
> information that other organizations want people to read. We have no
need to
compromise.
>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 11:15 PM, SarahSV <sarahsv.wiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter
<putevod(a)mccme.ru>
wrote:
- Possibly POV will be compromised in paid articles.
> - Unhealthy situation within the editing community. In the debates
> with WMF staff when we disagreed, I always felt awkward, because
> they were
paid
> arguing with me, and would do it until they convince me or I give
> up,
and I
> was doing this in my free time, and got tired very quickly. I also
> had
very
> unpleasant experiences interacting with some chapter people whose
> only
goal
> was to keep their position. They did not care about the quality,
> efficiency, anything, only about their personal good. And if
> somebody defends their personal good, you know, thy usually win,
> and the quality loses. Now, imagine there is a content dispute
> between a user who is
paid
> (and is afraid to lose the salary) and a user
who is unpaid and
> have to
do
> the same for free - I am sure a paid user will be way more persistent.
>
>
> ​Yaroslav, we already have a lot of paid editors on the English
Wikipedia.
Some are Wikimedians in residence, and this has always been regarded
as okay, though I believe they're expected not to edit articles
about the institution that employs them.
But we also have a lot of paid PR editing and obvious COI problems
because
of that, as well as the problems you highlight
(e.g. the paid editor
being
more persistent).
Introducing the Foundation as a broker between organizations that
want articles and editors who want to write them would not solve all
the problems you highlight, but it would remove the COI aspect. So
my
thinking
was that it would be better than the current
situation.
Sarah​
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