Gerard,
I was waiting for this mail. For me personally, your complaining is achieving exactly the opposite of what you think.
It sounds as if you'd much rather prefer to stick your head in the sand and hope things will blow over. "Move along, nothing to see here -- oh look! something positive over there!" is not going to solve anything.
Michel
On 12 February 2016 at 09:24, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Pine as you are talking about "self inflicting wounds" I take it you are not talking in your personal capacity. When is it enough for you? When are you going to talk about positive things, things that will move us forward. Why ask for blood and more blood? What is it that you hope to achieve?
Who do you represent in this unending litany of negativity and what have you achieved in this way? When Lila was engaged in her role, she was to direct in a different direction and she is doing that. You may not like it and that is ok. Thanks, GerardM
On 12 February 2016 at 08:43, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Dariusz, thanks for continuing to engage here. Besides the good questions that others have asked, I'll add a few:
- If the Knowledge Engine is such an important project, why is it not
mentioned in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2015-16
?
- I realize that as a percentage of the WMF budget, $250k is a
relatively
small number. As others have said, this is not a reason for opacity about it, nor a reason for not having a conversation with the community about something so strategically important as a decision to explore the
question
of "Would users go to Wikipedia if it were an open channel beyond an encyclopedia?" It's one thing to have a blue-sky exercise thinking about possibilities, and another thing to take a $250k step in that direction, especially without consulting the community.
- I am getting tired about seeing bad news in general about WMF
governance, planning, and turnover. I am curious how you plan to address those issues. Like you, I would rather that we be talking about our movement plans for the next 10 years. However, it's difficult to have
those
conversations when WMF is making so many self-inflicted wounds. The
recent
round of resignations is of respectable people from the WMF staff is
making
the situation that much more concerning and that much more difficult to recover from. It seems to me that WMF leadership has lost control of this situation, and I'd like to hear what the recovery plan is. Personally, I feel that we need leadership that can build good relationships with the staff and community, is transparent by default, and is capable of
restoring
the credibility of the organization's planning, execution, and goodwill.
I
think that we may need new leadership to make that happen. I am
interested
to hear your thoughts.
Pine
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.pl wrote:
11.02.2016 10:23 PM "SarahSV" sarahsv.wiki@gmail.com napisał(a):
Hi Dariusz,
T he grant application doesn't restrict the search engine to Wikimedia
projects. It says that the "Knowledge Engine by Wikipedia [is a] system
for
discovering reliable and trustworthy public information on the
Internet.
My understanding is that the top range could potentially be all
open/public
resources, but this is the far stretched total goal, and still not a general search engine of all content including commercial one.
And a rrasonable realistic outcome can be just improving our searches across projects.
I can't comment on the initial ideas or goals, as I was not on the
Board
before August 2015, but this is what I understand we build now.
.
The document says the "Search Engine by Wikipedia" budget for
2015–2016
($2.4 million) was approved by the board. Can you point us to which
board
meeting approved it and what was discussed there?
I dont recall this specifically, and I'm going to elude this question
by
going to sleep (and hoping someone better informed may pick).
Good night!
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