Hoi Gerard,
I'm sorry that they came across to you as weasel words - they weren't meant to be, they were meant to be an explanation of how the FDC operates. It wasn't a refusal to accept responsibility - the FDC is responsible for its recommendations, but the WMF board then decides on whether to approve the recommendations or not. That's particularly relevant in the case of recommendations related to the WMF, which is what MzMcBride was asking about.
Thanks, Mike
On 26 Nov 2015, at 04:33, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Some explanations simply read as weasel words. Nothing was lost in translation. You either have an opinion and you accept that people consider responsibility part of the parcel or you do not and that is in my opinion worse. It is not so bad to be wrong, it happens. It is worse to refuse to accept responsibility. Thanks, GerardM
On 26 November 2015 at 12:23, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
No, this was a simple explanation of the facts of the limited authority of the FDC, not an attempt to weasel.
Perhaps something was lost in translation?
Fae On 26 Nov 2015 10:58, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Sorry but "The FDC provides recommendations to the WMF Board, who then decide on them. The FDC doesn't handle funds directly, so in no case does it withhold, or spend, funds, instead it recommends doing so to the WMF Board." qualify as weasel words. You make proposals and hope, expect that they will be accepted. Not taking responsibility for your actions and blaming them is the same as saying "we are only saying and they were not thinking themselves."
Not good, not appreciated. Thanks, GerardM
On 25 November 2015 at 15:56, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
Hi MZMcBride,
The Wikimedia Foundation has a section under "Organisation-specific remarks", but isn't included in the "Funding recommendations" chart
and
there's no amount requested, amount allocated, or proposal listed for
the
Wikimedia Foundation. Why is that?
They are organisation-specific remarks. :-) The WMF did not apply to
the
FDC this round, hence why there are no amounts requested/allocated, or
a
proposal to link to. The FDC felt it necessary to include
recommendations
about the WMF anyway.
If Wikimedia Deutschland is required to separate out costs for
Wikidata,
does that mean that the Wikimedia Foundation is required to split out costs for Wikipedia and its other projects? I'd be quite curious to
know
how much money is being spent by the Wikimedia Foundation on
Wiktionary
or
Wikinews or Wikiversity.
It's worth noting that there are two meanings to the word 'project'
here
there are the Wikimedia projects, and then there are projects run by
the
Wikimedia organisations (think of, e.g., GLAM or education projects).
It's
particularly the latter case that is most relevant to the FDC's work,
and
in this case Wikidata falls under both meanings.
The report includes this note:
The FDC is appalled by the closed way that the WMF has undertaken
both
strategic and annual planning, and the WMF’s approach to budget transparency (or lack thereof).
Sort of inline with the first question, but perhaps more direct: what power does the Funds Dissemination Committee have over the amount of
donor
money allocated toward the Wikimedia Foundation? Can the FDC only
admonish
the organization, but not actually withhold funds?
The FDC provides recommendations to the WMF Board, who then decide on them. The FDC doesn't handle funds directly, so in no case does it withhold, or spend, funds, instead it recommends doing so to the WMF
Board.
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