The problem may simply be that the information is not coming to the attention of the
people who care, as they don't know that it exists or where to find it. The normal
place to put information relating to improvement of an article is on the article talk
page, and that is where Wikipedians will expect to find it.
Cheers,
Peter
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From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gerard
Meijssen
Sent: Saturday, 21 November 2015 9:57 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues
Hoi,
That is indeed a problem. So far it has been lists, often well formatted lists that do not
have a workflow, are not updated regularly. I have added these issues as a wishlist item
to work on. [1]
You have to appreciate that when a list of problematic issues is listed with over 100
items, it is no longer easy or obvious that you want to add and follow 100 talk pages.This
is one of the big differences between Wikipedia think and Wikidata think. I care about a
lot of data, data that is linked. Analogous to the "Kevin Bacon steps of
separation" I want all items easily and obviously connected. <grin> That is
another quality goal for Wikidata </grin>.
Given the state of Wikipedia, most articles have an article, easy and obvious tasks like
fact checking and adding sources is exactly what we are looking for for maintaining our
community. Add relevance to the cocktail, we know that these facts are likely to have
issues, and you appreciate why this may help us with our quality and with our community
issues.
Thanks,
GerardM
[1]
On 21 November 2015 at 07:11, Peter Southwood <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net>
wrote:
How are you notifying the Wikipedias/Wikipedians? Do
you leave a
message on the talk page of the relevant article?
Cheers,
Peter
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From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On
Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen
Sent: Saturday, 21 November 2015 12:23 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues
Hoi,
So far such lists have been produced for bigger Wikipedias but
essentially it is potentially an issue for any and all Wikis that have
data that may exist on Wikidata or linked through Wikidata on external sources.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 20 November 2015 at 12:33, Peter Southwood <
peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net>
wrote:
Gerard,
Who were you expecting would respond from the Wikipedias?
Cheers,
Peter
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On Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen
Sent: Friday, 20 November 2015 9:18 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Research into Wikimedia content and
communities; WikiData-l
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues
Hoi,
At Wikidata we often find issues with data imported from a Wikipedia.
Lists have been produced with these issues on the Wikipedia involved
and arguably they do present issues with the quality of Wikipedia or
Wikidata for that matter. So far hardly anything resulted from such
outreach.
When Wikipedia is a black box, not communicating about with the
outside world, at some stage the situation becomes toxic. At this
moment there are already those at Wikidata that argue not to bother
about Wikipedia quality because in their view, Wikipedians do not
care
about its own quality.
Arguably known issues with quality are the easiest to solve.
There are many ways to approach this subject. It is indeed a quality
issue both for Wikidata and Wikipedia. It can be seen as a research
issue; how to deal with quality and how do such mechanisms function
if
at all.
I blogged about it..
Thanks,
GerardM
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2015/11/what-kind-of-box-is-wikip
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