David & Andrea, I so want to join this new ""we in the wikimedia movement" thingy! Where's the sign-up page? I especially like the contributor-contributor part and would like to emphasis that our disconnects are so much worse when they are cross-project than just the usual within-project edit wars. When you throw language issues into the mix the tempers get extraordinarily worse. Commons gets a lot of the flack just because everybody uses it so much, but it's really not their fault. I didn't know there was a Commons reform movement and would be very curious to know the back story on that one. I for one question the decision to stuff all files there (including books), but there has been a point of no return on that one for a while. Jane