I'm not dismissing other approaches! I'm noting one approach that did work :-)
On 18 March 2015 at 20:02, Mathias Damour mathias.damour@laposte.net wrote:
Le 18/03/2015 16:23, David Gerard a écrit :
http://schools-wikipedia.org does most of the job. And teachers LOVE it. We should give this project more love and assistance, it's basically the refutation of all attempts to, er, filter the base product.
Teachers love it, what about children?
Le 18/03/2015 16:51, Marc A. Pelletier a écrit :
On 15-03-18 11:23 AM, David Gerard wrote:
We should give this project more love and assistance, it's basically the refutation of all attempts to, er, filter the base product.
I agree. Whenever a group of people decide to curate some subset of our projects with an eye towards their needs, then I count it as a win (even in the cases where I would object to the curation choices myself).
The fact is it is "just" a set of curated (and choosen) Wikipedia articles. What if they are still mostly too complicated ?
Le 18/03/2015 17:33, David Gerard a écrit :
On 18 March 2015 at 15:51, Marc A. Pelletier marc@uberbox.org wrote:
What irks me is the idea of giving imprimatur to something "we" curate, or to do any sort of curation "ourselves" (that is, the movement or the Foundation). "All the knowledge" means "All", not "some subset thereof".
In the case of Schools Wikipedia, it's worked quite well - the editorial review heavy lifting was substantially done by en:wp volunteers. They specifically approached it as "what would we expect in an English school situation?" though it was intended for use outside the UK (they just used the English National Curriculum as their guide).
Should children be only allowed to be interested to their school curriculum? There is so much subjects to be interested in and to learn about.
Le 18/03/2015 17:38, David Gerard a écrit :
On 18 March 2015 at 16:07, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Indeed. http://schools-wikipedia.org is already used around the world - it's a great example of what can be done if Wikimedians work with (even passively with) other orgs.
Everyone likes it, not many are coming forward to lead the ongoing update cycle since User:Bozmo left SOS Children (the charity who put it together). (And I'm not volunteering.) Not sure what to do about that.
Well I suggest to do it on a full new open wiki, to use the Simple English Wikipedia content when it fits, to promote the translation of already made good work on other languages equivalent of such a wiki, and to allow fully new articles to be written and bettered.
Yet even the Simple English Wikipedia article are not always the best content to have. You may compare: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States https://en.vikidia.org/wiki/History_of_the_USA , written in the last few month by a eleven years old "vikidian" (however a quite experienced user) and... I can't find it on schools-wikipedia.org, there is just http://schools-wikipedia.org/wp/u/United_States.htm I wonder how would someone curate the 168,391 bytes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States to make it fit to school children. And here is how we can "curate", that's to say rewrite a few parts and add some images, an article from Simple English Wikipedia : https://en.vikidia.org/w/index.php?title=Roman_house&diff=76306&oldi...
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