Hoi, Arguably the same is true for Wikipedia. Many faulty articles exist. There are many list articles incomplete because people do not maintain them. Wikilinks refer to the wrong information. Incomplete information is often as bad as wrong information. Badly written articles are bad particularly when they confuse more than elaborate. There are plenty of these.
The notion of control ... REALLY ? It is ll too easy to find curated lists with proven information (like all the lakes of Sweden). Who needs control when the source of the data is impeccable ? Given Wikipedia the notion of control is rather weird given the amount of not satisfactory discussions that lead to arguably faulty and confusing articles.
The point is not that human written Wikipedia articles are not a good thing. The point is that they are not always the best we can do. A bot generated article wins hands down from no article in any language when the information is solid. Thanks, GerardM
On 6 July 2015 at 12:08, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, and in this case I am saying that the bot populated Wikipedias are "bad" products because qualitatively poor, instead of an architecture of a data population and a creation of articles through Wikidata or through a central repository.
Basically it's for a control of the content.
A bot populated article can widespread an error or an outdated information in all web pages if there is not control of the community, instead a central repository like Wikidata facilitates this control.
The same concept of Wikipedia is in discussion.
It's an encyclopedia, but another encyclopedia (may we can it "botpedia"?).
Regards
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi, When people do not edit Wikipedia we are talking about a situation that does not exist.
I wholeheartedly disagree with you as you mistake the process with the product. Our aim is to produce a product and we should endeavour to
provide
it in a SMART way. We lose out when we do not do the best we can. Our
best
is NOT sitting on our hands keeping information that is available to ourselves for secondary reasons. Yes, we can write articles and yes they may be better but as long as we do not provide information we do a half arsed job. A job that is qualitatively and quantitatively inferior. Thanks, GerardM
On 6 July 2015 at 11:42, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com wrote:
If people don't edit Wikipedia, Wikipedia would not exist.
As I have said the IT tools to support community are welcome, the IT
tools
to populate a wikipedia like a population of a database should not be welcome in Wikipedia, they are more appropriated for Wikidata where the integration with Wikipedia is done in a right manner and are at the
service
of the overall communities.
Regards
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi, I would not say that the Encyclopaedia Britannica is NOT an
encyclopaedia.
The objective of Wikipedia is EXACTLY that it is read. Not that it is edited.
You can argue all you like against bot generated articles but in the
final
analysis it is doing a much better job than not providing
information.
Arguably it is not needed to save them as articles because it is
possible
to generate them on the fly based on information from Wikidata and
cache
the results but that is EXACTLY the kind of technology that would
bring
missing information to any Wikipedia without distorting the number of articles for people who only care about editors and editing. It is
EXACTLY
the kind of technology I would welcome the WMF to explore. Thanks, GerardM
On 6 July 2015 at 11:09, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com wrote:
https://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinaurog:ActiveUsers https://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espesyal:ActiveUsers
An encyclopedia in the first 10 places without a community is it an encyclopedia?
Is the community important to say that wikipedia is wikipedia? In
this
case
these projects are demonstrating that Wikipedia can renounce to one
of
its
pilaster.
In my opinion the impact of Waray Waray or of Cebuan is a
demonstration
that any "strange" language can have a big traffic if it is placed
in
the
first places of the ranking because it will be best ranked in
search
engines.
But an impact is something that produces "effects" and
"dissemination". I
don't see impact because the bot has increased only one measure
(page
view)
and nothing else.
If the impact must be produced with SEO, the parameters of
evaluations
must
change.
It is different when a bot is running in an encyclopedia supported
by a
"mature" community, because the articles will be improved in
quality
and
will generate more and more effects.
Regards
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi, How do you know that there is no impact ?
https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htm
shows
clearly how much Cebuano has grown considerably in page views.
The
same
is
true for Waray Waray. Compare it to languages with a similar
number
of
speakers. Please explain how this is not a real impact ! Thanks, GerardM
On 6 July 2015 at 10:20, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com
wrote:
> This is an example about how to produce a "formal" impact
without a
"real" > impact. > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Salvador A <
salvador1983@gmail.com
wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > I just I noticed that Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedia are
inside
the
> list > > of the 10 Wikipedias with more articles.[1] It seems it
happened
during
> > this weekend. Maybe in the case of Waray Wikipedia happened a
little
> > before. Somebody knows when did it was exactly? Did I miss a
thread
> > announcing this? > > > > Waray-waray is now the 6th place and Cebuano has surpassed
it.wiki
and
> > es.wiki and gained the place number 8, mainly due to Lsjbot
work.[2]
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