On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 12:17 PM, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
Sorry if this was already answered and I overlooked it, but will there be something like a special form of "advertising" this campaign in order to attract many requests that propose to do something about the Gender Gap?
Great question. Current thinking is to do the usual announcing on mailing lists, blog/social media, village pumps, etc, as well as experimenting with running Central Notice banners. Would like to attract folks from various wikis who have interest in this theme and ability to lead a project in their community, beyond the usual (relatively small) slice who regularly participate in lists like these or in the usual grantmaking discussions on meta-wiki. And although outside media could help bring total newbies to contribute ideas, discussion, and other forms of participation, it is pretty darn important to have at least 1 experienced Wikimedian on a funded team in order to lead and execute a useful community project, so in-movement (particularly on-wiki) promotion is a priority. Any thoughts/suggestions would be welcome!
2015-01-06 21:11 GMT+01:00 Siko Bouterse sbouterse@wikimedia.org:
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Anders Wennersten < mail@anderswennersten.se> wrote:
Thanks Siko, also from me.
I do hope that you use this time to really learn of the dynamics of grants/impact, by following up of earlier experience and also in
defining
expectations targets etc in a specific area
For me an eyeopener was a program run in Sweden by WMSE to get more
female
contributors. It was funded from outside WMF and primary involved workshops for Wikipedia writing, in a form we are all familiar with.
The
workshops was run in different middlesized towns and got a very limited attendance, 3-15 persons, whereof only a tiny fraction stayed on as Wikipedians after the workshop. I got annoyed at first noticing it
cost
something like 100-200 dollar per participant, and 20 times as much to
get
the one among them who stayed on but only making some 50-100 edits. I
saw
it as a truly waste of money (not WMF though).
But then I learned that those activities attracted more media attention than any other program having been run by WMSE, there must now be
between
30-50 coverages in local and nationwide papers and radio stations. And
the
funding body saw this as a thundering success, and has given even more funding for a second year. And then something happened as a result from this media coverage, more female editors has now a year later turned
up!
Anders
Thanks for sharing this example, Anders. We're definitely going to learn
a
lot from this experiment, as I am from this discussion, and will be
sharing
back findings too :)
Your point about media interest as well as longer term impact is super important. While we do need to be able to demonstrate some short-term impact, I also think that for many of the grants we make the impact can really only seen much more clearly in the longer term. So following up
well
after the pilot is over will also be important.
I don't usually think that media coverage alone = thundering success
(like
you, I'd probably have been disappointed at first with the early outcomes you mentioned). But I do see that one possible outcome for campaigns like this is increased media coverage which in turn could result in longer
term
impact by bringing in more people to the projects. Will be on the lookout for this - glad you mentioned it!
Siko
Chris Keating skrev den 2015-01-06 10:53:
Thanks for the details Siko!
Going back to the original message in this thread - I would indeed be concerned if the WMF was shutting down grantmaking for good projects
for 3
months for no good reason.
However that's not really what's happening. It's more that non-urgent grantmaking is being postponed; and there is a good rationale for it
(one
more about wanting to experiment with grantmaking styles, than about
the
gender gap being a special case).
Makes sense to me.
Chris
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Lodewijk <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
wrote:
Actually, the experiment is whether such a campaign would drive more
successful grants, as I understand it. It works from the assumption
that
such grants would have a positive impact. I'm happy to go with that assumption though.
I still strongly disagree with this initiative, but especially the
way
it
is executed. I'm glad to hear that all time-sensitive requests can
still
apply during this period - that would probably be quite a few
requests.
I'm still in the dark as to why this has to be a three month program (that is a very long period of time to put everything on hold for an experiment) and not just 2-4 weeks. Then you could actually commit to quicker run-through times in the program, etc. Reducing the time frame would reduce the damaging side effect significantly.
Lodewijk
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:47 AM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Did you not see the bit about "experimental"?
Cheers, Peter
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- Siko Bouterse wrote:
> Why the gender gap? Although we’ve committed to supporting and > increasing gender diversity, so far these kinds of projects haven’t > emerged organically at any meaningful scale. In the first half of
this
> year, IEG and PEG have spent only 9% of funds on projects aiming to > directly impact this gap and less than ? of our grantee project
leaders
> have been women.
> Without taking time to focus on increasing gender diversity in our > content and contributors, this trend is likely to continue. > What evidence is there that spending more on "gender gap" will have
any
measurable impact on "gender gap"? I also note that you say
"projects"
have not "emerged". That sounds like people do not actually have
ideas
how
to "impact" "gender gap" with money. Could you identify a couple of projects that would have considerable "impact" on "gender gap" but
that
have been refused funding in the past due to a lack of "focus" on
"gen-
der
gap"?
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