Thanks Lila!
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Lila Tretikov <lila(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
For everyone here: I've asked our Grantmaking team
to comment and clarify
the details of this plan.
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
wrote:
Answering to Teemu and Chris:
I do think that the for Wiki Loves Monuments and Wiki Loves Art it is
safe
to claim that if we organize it the way we would
always do, it would
still
tip the gender balance in our community a little
more to the female side.
However, I disagree that this should be a main consideration, because I
think that would be true for so many outreach projects. Focusing on that
would be a pity and a distraction imho. Also, for most participants we
don't know the gender, and we don't want to know the gender (because
asking
for it alone can scare people away) - except for
a sample of them, who
happen to answer the survey afterwards. All data on that is quite shaky.
If necessary, I could easily make a case why WLM is a wonderful gendergap
project - the point is that I don't want volunteers to waste their time
on
making such cases, but rather let them be
innovative, come up with new
ideas instead of rebranding existing ideas on something like the
gendergap.
My problems are more fundamental than 'I
can't get money for my specific
project'.
So Chris: yes, these people do a lot for reducing the gender gap in our
projects. Also, Wikimedia organizers tend to hop between projects - their
next might be more focused on a topic that is popular with women, if
their
current idea isn't yet. Drawing them into a
topic in a positive way (what
we do is cool! Join us!) tends to be more successful than telling them
they
are not allowed to do other stuff (we won't
fund you at all unless you do
this specific theme).
Prioritisation sounds great, but that only works that way if you have one
clearly defined pool of resources, that you can actually control. What do
you think is the major bottle neck in organizing activities in the
Wikimedia movement? In my experience, that is not money, or even WMF
staff
capacity (even though it is a limiting factor
sometimes), but the primary
bottle neck is volunteer organizers (or editors). And volunteer time is
not
a resource you can easily 'control'. If
you want to influence it, the
most
effective way is by persuading the volunteers why
another angle is more
interesting, more fun, more effective.
Best,
Lodewijk
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Chris Keating <
chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Like Bence, I would be interested to see how this
kind of experiment in
WMF
> grantmaking works out. And also like him I would be a little surprised
if
something
like this is implemented with no notice period.
A couple of responses to Lodewijk's post;
> with people
> confirming my fear that this will likely undermine the community
support
> (or at least support by the 'organizing
community') for
gendergap-related
> projects in general - be it out of
frustration, compensation or
jealousy.
Out of interest, were any of these people doing anything at all to
support
> the reduction of the gender gap in the first place? ;)
>
>
>
> > I
> > called it a 'negative campaign' in my emails because the focus is not
> about
> > actively boosting one type of requests (which is the claim), but
rather
> > about making it harder to do something
unrelated to it in the hope
that
> > people instead will choose for the easy
way, and organize a gendergap
> > related event.
> >
>
> Equally, if you have limited resources, prioritising one thing means
> reducing attention to something else. So saying "we shouldn't work on
the
> gender gap if anything else gets less
atention as a result" is
logically
equivalent to saying "We shouldn't work on the gender gap".
Regards,
Chris
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