Dear Pine,
Thanks for your question.
I think that the idea of merging Outreach into Meta would probably benefit from some discussion among the users of both wikis, to see if such a change would work for them. :)
For instance, the Meta community would need to be comfortable with folding in functionaries from Outreach -- just as Outreach functionaries would need to be comfortable with Meta functionaries operating in Outreach space -- unless there is some technical way to restrict administrators to only those projects for which they were chosen.
Obviously, either way, if such a merger happened, we would need to maintain many redirects, since printed documents https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Brochures refer to specific pages within Outreach -- and we would have to make sure to maintain those redirects if pages on Meta were moved.
I don't know all of the history behind why Outreach and Meta are separate, since it predates my work in the movement. What matters to me, personally, is best coordination of the work, wherever that happens.
Your thoughts on this are welcome over at the Outreach wiki village pump.
Kind regards,
Anna
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On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Anna,
In the long run I think it would be beneficial to move at least some of the content of Outreach into LPL where it would be easier to search.
Perhaps you can enlighten me about the purpose of keeping Outreach separate from Meta. I think the idea is that Outreach is easier to navigate for outsiders than Meta is. However we could redirect outreach.wikimedia.org to a namespace on Meta that is similar to the Grants namespace with a restricted search option. Particularly after the recent LPL upgrades, I think it would be good to consider fully merging Outreach into Meta. What do you think?
Pine On Feb 4, 2015 6:35 AM, "Anna Koval" akoval@wikimedia.org wrote:
Dear Nemo,
There is, of course, other documentation on mediawiki already.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Education_Program https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Education_Program
However, having additional how-to type pages in the help namespace is a great idea. I didn't realize that there were not already any help pages
on
mediawiki about the education program extension. Thank you for pointing that out. We can plan to add some.
It is my understanding that Meta and Outreach wikis actually are appropriate places to share information about the this extension in these contexts.
On Meta wiki, that page is part of the Learning Pattern Library, and as such, it explains a "problem" that the extension "solves".
On Outreach wiki, that page provides information for education program volunteers who might be wish to more learn about it in order to work with their communities to enable it on their projects.
It is true that much of the information, on Outreach, in particular, is somewhat technical in nature, and somewhat duplicative of information
that
is available on mediawiki.org, but that is that something I am working
on
updating and improving. I welcome your input on that process; we could discuss it on the talk page.
Kind regards,
Anna
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Anna Koval, M.Ed. Manager, Wikipedia Education Program Wikimedia Foundation +1.415.839.6885 x6729 akoval@wikimedia.org education.wikimedia.org
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <
nemowiki@gmail.com>
wrote:
Samir Elsharbaty, 04/02/2015 03:08:
It seems that the extension already covers most of what was suggested here:
- A teacher or wiki-mentor could make a shared watchlist of their
student's draft pages.
- An editathon organiser could create a shared watchlist of all the articles within the scope of the event.
- A wikiproject could create several shared watchlists to group
related
articles for members to more easily monitor.
- probably many other use-cases that might emerge...
Ah, does it. My understanding is that this has been considered feature bloat, to be removed in a rewrite of the extension. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Editor_campaigns
If it works for you, however, it can hopefully scale. I suggest that
you
comment on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Gather to suggest they split the shared watchlist feature out of the Education extension
If this is the case why shall we have a new extension with the same features?
Please have a look at this page which covers the features and use of
the
Ed extension: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Extension
Also this learning pattern would help understanding how it works: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Learning_patterns/ Using_the_education_extension
These are not appropriate places for documentation of a MediaWiki extension. Please move to the Help namespace of mediawiki.org.
Nemo
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