On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Granted, you could get past the 10,000 article startup requirement somehow and then start creating lots of POV articles, but once you do this you will soon be discovered. There is just no way to hide it.
Jane, you're living in a fantasy world. We already have Wikipedias with these POV articles. They've been "discovered" long ago, and it makes zero difference.
See e.g. the hagiography of the Uzbek President in the Uzbek Wikipedia[1] (him of the boiled dissidents). It hails him as the best thing since sliced bread.
Then see what Human Rights organisations have to say about his regime[2], or compare the English Wikipedia article.[3]
That train left the station a long time ago. The wiki model does *not* work in these contexts.
[1] https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=uz&tl=en&u=https... [2] https://www.hrw.org/europe/central-asia/uzbekistan [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_Karimov#Human_rights_and_press_freedom
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Lilburne <lilburne@tygers-of-wrath.net
wrote:
On 28/12/2015 18:00, Jane Darnell wrote:
All I said is that the wiki way works, that's all. You can't hide it
when
someone tries to take over a project, and that is the reason we
shouldn't
try to anticipate that with convoluted strategies. "Assume Good Faith" will always win out over any strange misguided takeover strategy, which is
why
governments that intend to do such things choose nowadays to just
block
wikimedia altogether. It is not our wake-up call to take, but that of
the
Kazakh people.
Facebook showed the other year that it could manipulate people by what
it
showed them in their feeds.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/10932534/Facebook-conducted-s...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28051930
They didn't do this for fun, they did it to show their clients (advertisers, governments) that they could manipulate millions of
people.
You only need a small push in one direction or another to influence a
large
population. Doesn't matter if the push is to buy a particular soap,
vote
one way or another, or how you see a particular minority, or issue.
http://www.networkworld.com/article/2450825/big-data-business-intelligence/f...
Do it to a naively trusted source and you have a triple word score jackpot^H^H^Hboot.
I thought Epstein's and Robertson's paper, "The search engine
manipulation
effect (SEME) and its possible impact on the outcomes of elections", was very interesting as well:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/how-google-could-rig-the-2016...
http://www.pnas.org/content/112/33/E4512.abstract
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Well the chances of me being firebombed while on vacation in the states
are
probably higher than me being firebombed for editing Wikipedia, but
that
still doesn't mean we need to worry about changing the wiki model. I
guess
I have lost the thread of your point entirely now.
To be honest, I don't think you had ever gotten hold of it in the first place. To me, you seem to live in a very sheltered and naive world.
If we have reports of Wikipedians being tortured in Azerbaijan (and there seems to have been some truth to these reports, as the sysop named in
them
was globally blocked by the WMF a short while later[1]), you should be
able
to understand that it is not quite as easy to live the wiki way there as
it
is in your country, and that some of the assumptions you have formed
based
on your own experiences of the wiki model may not hold in other locales.
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Irada&diff=12421543&am...
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