On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Granted, you could
get past the 10,000 article startup requirement somehow and then start
creating lots of POV articles, but once you do this you will soon be
discovered. There is just no way to hide it.
Jane, you're living in a fantasy world. We already have Wikipedias with
these POV articles. They've been "discovered" long ago, and it makes zero
difference.
See e.g. the hagiography of the Uzbek President in the Uzbek Wikipedia[1]
(him of the boiled dissidents). It hails him as the best thing since sliced
bread.
Then see what Human Rights organisations have to say about his regime[2],
or compare the English Wikipedia article.[3]
That train left the station a long time ago. The wiki model does *not* work
in these contexts.
[1]
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Lilburne
<lilburne(a)tygers-of-wrath.net
wrote:
On 28/12/2015 18:00, Jane Darnell wrote:
> All I said is that the wiki way works, that's all. You can't hide it
when
> someone tries to take over a project, and
that is the reason we
shouldn't
> try to anticipate that with convoluted
strategies. "Assume Good Faith"
> will
> always win out over any strange misguided takeover strategy, which is
why
>> governments that intend to do such things choose nowadays to just
block
>
wikimedia altogether. It is not our wake-up call to take, but that of
the
>> Kazakh people.
>>
>>
> Facebook showed the other year that it could manipulate people by what
it
showed
them in their feeds.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/10932534/Facebook-conducted-…
>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28051930
>
> They didn't do this for fun, they did it to show their clients
> (advertisers, governments) that they could manipulate millions of
people.
You only
need a small push in one direction or another to influence a
large
> population. Doesn't matter if the push is to buy a particular soap,
vote
one way
or another, or how you see a particular minority, or issue.
http://www.networkworld.com/article/2450825/big-data-business-intelligence/…
Do it to a naively trusted source and you have a triple word score
jackpot^H^H^Hboot.
I thought Epstein's and Robertson's paper, "The search engine
manipulation
effect (SEME) and its possible impact on the
outcomes of elections", was
very interesting as well:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/how-google-could-rig-the-201…
http://www.pnas.org/content/112/33/E4512.abstract
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Well the chances of me being firebombed while on
vacation in the states
are
> probably higher than me being firebombed for editing Wikipedia, but
that
still
doesn't mean we need to worry about changing the wiki model. I
guess
I have lost the thread of your point entirely
now.
To be honest, I don't think you had ever gotten hold of it in the first
place. To me, you seem to live in a very sheltered and naive world.
If we have reports of Wikipedians being tortured in Azerbaijan (and there
seems to have been some truth to these reports, as the sysop named in
them
was globally blocked by the WMF a short while
later[1]), you should be
able
to understand that it is not quite as easy to
live the wiki way there as
it
is in your country, and that some of the
assumptions you have formed
based
on your own experiences of the wiki model may not
hold in other locales.
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Irada&diff=12421543&a…
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