Interesting link, thanks Gerard! I was referring to a citation for this
quote however:
"and a
significant
> selection of the information unsourced WikiDatas data lacks the quality,
> integrity we all expect of ourselves when we add content to any of the
> projects."
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
http://www.amnesty.nl/sites/default/files/public/ainl_guidelines_use_of_for…
On 29 December 2015 at 13:30, Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com> wrote:
citation needed
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is when sources truly become vital. But do
> > remember, the POV of the USA and many of its sources are as suspect
as
> > those from Kazakhstan.
>
>
> And that is why regardless of the fact a citation is so important,
>
> because the person receiving the information must able to make their
own
assessment of the sources reliability with a CC0 license and a
significant
> selection of the information unsourced WikiDatas data lacks the
quality,
> integrity we all expect of ourselves when we
add content to any of the
> projects.
>
> On 29 December 2015 at 20:15, Gerard Meijssen <
gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
>
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > So you have determined that people can be manipulated. Good, then
what?
> >
> > If this is the tack that you take you will be grounded because there
is
> no
> > plan. It is a negative attitude that only stifles. Quality is not
only
in
> > sources, sources can be and are manipulations in their own right.
Many
> > important subjects are woefully
underrepresented. The argument has it
> that
> > it is because of a lack of sources..
> >
> > Sources are relevant but we only are interested in particular
subjects.
We
> do not need to look at Kazakhstan to find fault. Amnest (reliable
source)
> indicates that all USA police forces are not
in compliance with
> international agreements on the use of force. NOW WHAT ??
>
> When quality is the subject, it is important to decide how we
effectively
> improve quality. VIAF provided Wikidata with
a list of issues they
found.
> > Tom checked it out and our quality is better as a result. It means
that
> > more information is linked for people
who visit a library. When
awards
> are
> > known, adding known recipients in Wikidata based on info from
multiple
>
Wikipedias improves the quality and in this way many incorrect links
are
> > exposed.
> >
> > When quality of our projects is the subject, decide how we can do a
> better
> > job. When Facebook invites companies to manipulate people, it is why
> > Facebook information is suspect. At most it is a reminder that
> manipulation
> > is an important issue. It does not mean that people cannot add data
on
> > their hobby horse.
> >
> > Quality is important but quality is more than sources. When sources
are
> used
as an argument that is detrimental to the quality of Wikidata,
then
> in
> > my opinion we have forgotten why Wikipedia was possible in the first
> place.
> > It was not because of sources, it was because of the web of
information
we
> created, a web that is of a NPOV.
>
> Wikidata does not have a NPOV. It represents facts found in many
places.
> As
> > the information becomes more extended, it becomes possible to find
> > manipulations, errors. This is when sources truly become vital. But
do
> > remember, the POV of the USA and many
of its sources are as suspect
as
>
those from Kazakhstan.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On 29 December 2015 at 11:44, Lilburne <lilburne(a)tygers-of-wrath.net
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 28/12/2015 18:00, Jane Darnell wrote:
> > >
> > >> All I said is that the wiki way works, that's all. You can't
hide
it
>
when
> >> someone tries to take over a project, and that is the reason we
> shouldn't
> >> try to anticipate that with convoluted strategies. "Assume Good
Faith"
> >> will
> >> always win out over any strange misguided takeover strategy, which
is
why
>> governments that intend to do such things choose nowadays to just
block
> >> wikimedia altogether. It is not our wake-up call to take, but that
of
> the
> >> Kazakh people.
> >>
> >>
> > Facebook showed the other year that it could manipulate people by
what
it
> showed them in their feeds.
>
>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/10932534/Facebook-conducted-…
> > >
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28051930
> > >
> > > They didn't do this for fun, they did it to show their clients
> > > (advertisers, governments) that they could manipulate millions of
> people.
> > > You only need a small push in one direction or another to
influence
a
large
> population. Doesn't matter if the push is to buy a particular soap,
vote
> one way or another, or how you see a
particular minority, or issue.
>
>
http://www.networkworld.com/article/2450825/big-data-business-intelligence/…
>
>
> > Do it to a naively trusted source and you have a triple word score
> > jackpot^H^H^Hboot.
> >
> >
> >
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