Hoi,
That is a circular argument.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 29 December 2015 at 13:33, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
no I agree quality is more than just the sources, but
without sources
quality cannot be achieved
On 29 December 2015 at 20:29, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi,
You do not get the point or you deliberately distort it. The point is
that
quality is not sources. Quality is more than
that.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 29 December 2015 at 13:27, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is when sources truly become vital. But do
> > remember, the POV of the USA and many of its sources are as suspect
as
> > those from Kazakhstan.
>
>
> And that is why regardless of the fact a citation is so important,
>
> because the person receiving the information must able to make their
own
assessment of the sources reliability with a CC0 license and a
significant
> selection of the information unsourced WikiDatas data lacks the
quality,
> integrity we all expect of ourselves when we
add content to any of the
> projects.
>
> On 29 December 2015 at 20:15, Gerard Meijssen <
gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
>
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > So you have determined that people can be manipulated. Good, then
what?
> >
> > If this is the tack that you take you will be grounded because there
is
> no
> > plan. It is a negative attitude that only stifles. Quality is not
only
in
> > sources, sources can be and are manipulations in their own right.
Many
> > important subjects are woefully
underrepresented. The argument has it
> that
> > it is because of a lack of sources..
> >
> > Sources are relevant but we only are interested in particular
subjects.
We
> do not need to look at Kazakhstan to find fault. Amnest (reliable
source)
> indicates that all USA police forces are not
in compliance with
> international agreements on the use of force. NOW WHAT ??
>
> When quality is the subject, it is important to decide how we
effectively
> improve quality. VIAF provided Wikidata with
a list of issues they
found.
> > Tom checked it out and our quality is better as a result. It means
that
> > more information is linked for people
who visit a library. When
awards
> are
> > known, adding known recipients in Wikidata based on info from
multiple
>
Wikipedias improves the quality and in this way many incorrect links
are
> > exposed.
> >
> > When quality of our projects is the subject, decide how we can do a
> better
> > job. When Facebook invites companies to manipulate people, it is why
> > Facebook information is suspect. At most it is a reminder that
> manipulation
> > is an important issue. It does not mean that people cannot add data
on
> > their hobby horse.
> >
> > Quality is important but quality is more than sources. When sources
are
> used
as an argument that is detrimental to the quality of Wikidata,
then
> in
> > my opinion we have forgotten why Wikipedia was possible in the first
> place.
> > It was not because of sources, it was because of the web of
information
we
> created, a web that is of a NPOV.
>
> Wikidata does not have a NPOV. It represents facts found in many
places.
> As
> > the information becomes more extended, it becomes possible to find
> > manipulations, errors. This is when sources truly become vital. But
do
> > remember, the POV of the USA and many
of its sources are as suspect
as
>
those from Kazakhstan.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On 29 December 2015 at 11:44, Lilburne <lilburne(a)tygers-of-wrath.net
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 28/12/2015 18:00, Jane Darnell wrote:
> > >
> > >> All I said is that the wiki way works, that's all. You can't
hide
it
>
when
> >> someone tries to take over a project, and that is the reason we
> shouldn't
> >> try to anticipate that with convoluted strategies. "Assume Good
Faith"
> >> will
> >> always win out over any strange misguided takeover strategy, which
is
why
>> governments that intend to do such things choose nowadays to just
block
> >> wikimedia altogether. It is not our wake-up call to take, but that
of
> the
> >> Kazakh people.
> >>
> >>
> > Facebook showed the other year that it could manipulate people by
what
it
> showed them in their feeds.
>
>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/10932534/Facebook-conducted-…
> > >
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28051930
> > >
> > > They didn't do this for fun, they did it to show their clients
> > > (advertisers, governments) that they could manipulate millions of
> people.
> > > You only need a small push in one direction or another to
influence
a
large
> population. Doesn't matter if the push is to buy a particular soap,
vote
> one way or another, or how you see a
particular minority, or issue.
>
>
http://www.networkworld.com/article/2450825/big-data-business-intelligence/…
>
>
> > Do it to a naively trusted source and you have a triple word score
> > jackpot^H^H^Hboot.
> >
> >
> >
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