Hoi,
The other side of being easily manipulated is that it is easy to rectify.
The Signpost is FUD in so many ways and incorrect as well. Yes, you may
have a concern about falsehoods. However, this is not going to be helped
much by insisting that everything is to be sourced. It is also not the only
way to consider quality and arguably it is the least helpful way of
improving the quality at Wikidata.
Typically what has been established on other sources is acceptable as valid
for now. When we compare and find differences, it is of relevance to find
sources and even document the differences. When it is a falsehood we should
flag them as such. Sources can be wrong or considered to be wrong.
The case for the CC-0 license is so in line with what the WMF stands for.
Our aim is to share in the sum of all knowledge and it is the most obvious
way to do it. When Wikidata is found to document falsehoods or established
truths that are problematic, we gain a quality where people come to
Wikidata to learn what they need to learn.
So where some see a problem, there is opportunity.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 10 December 2015 at 10:14, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I agree getting bogged down on one item of data isnt
helpful but the data
does need to show its disputed and the data item on Israel
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q801> should at least have Tel Aviv listed
as its mentonym
within the database because the data base
is applying one truth where there is no one truth
for everyone. This will
always be the single biggest flaw of Wikidata no matter how data is
presented it can never be the absolute truth
The Jerusalem/Israel example where the data doesnt indicate its disputed
means that it will propagated as an absolute truth...
Then again this is shifting away from the original concern over quality
that the ability to verify the information isnt clear combined with the
CC0 license the already established practice on other sources. Wikidata for
falsehoods being easily manipulated its going to have a impact.
On 10 December 2015 at 16:44, Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Amen to that! This discussion about Jerusalem
reminds me of the
discussion
we had about the nationality of Anne Frank. For
those interested, there
have been some heated debates about whether Mobile should use the text in
Wikidata "label descriptions" or rather some basic presentation of the
P31
property. Most descriptions are still blank
anyway. Personally I think
texts such as "capital of Israel" or "holocaust victim" are both
better
than blank, but many disagree with me.
Both of these represent associated items that have a lot of eyes on them,
but what about our more obscure items? Lots of these may be improved by
the
people who originally created a Wikipedia page
for them. As a Wikipedia
editor who has created over 2000 Wikipedia pages, I feel somewhat
dismayed
at the idea that I need to walk through this long
list and add statements
to their Wikidata items as the responsible party who introduced them to
the
Wikiverse in the first place. But if I had a
gadget that would tell me
which of my created Wikipedia articles had 0-3 statements, I would
probably
update those.
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Lydia Pintscher <
lydia.pintscher(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:15 AM, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > Criag is right this cant be fixed within the database because the
data
base
> is applying one truth where there is no one truth for everyone. This
will
always be
the single biggest flaw of Wikidata no matter how data is
presented it can never be the absolute truth unless its measurable
through
> some mathematical scientific process that can replicated by everyone,
> translated into any language.
>
> Wikipedia's answer is to present all considerations in an equal manor
and
> > not interpret the facts....
> >
> > Wikidata defines what is fact, what is truth, what is right thats a
big
> > task and is something the community has
never tackled before...
should
we
> even try, has the damage already been done
or should we narrow the
range
of
recorded data, could we flag alternatives, could
we give a measure of
acceptance for each fact. are there alternative means....
That is actually not correct. We have built Wikidata from the very
beginning with some core believes. One of them is that Wikidata isn't
supposed to have the one truth but instead is able to represent
various different points of view and link to sources claiming these.
Look for example at the country statements for Jerusalem:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1218
Now I am the first to say that this will not be able to capture the
full complexity of the world around us. But that's not what it is
meant to do. However please be aware that we have built more than just
a dumb database with Wikidata and have gone to great length to make it
possible to capture knowledge diversity.
Cheers
Lydia
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