On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Asap stands for "as soon as possible". It is obvious that there I do not like the talk pages at all. That does not mean that it makes sense to replace them tomorrow.
I want us to cut the crap. Absolutely get rid of talk pages and understand what it is EXACTLY what the cost benefit is of such a change. When you talk about "detailed watchlists" in the context of Talk pages I have no clue what you are on about. It does not make sense to me at all.
When a specific way of working insists on talk pages, it means that the associated workflow has to be revisited and changed with urgency. It cannot be permitted that special interests take the whole of the much needed change hostage. "Leaving this material unchecked ..." is FUD. It is not an argument that prevents change, at most it means that a different mechanism has to be designed for that special interest. Thanks, GerardM
Gerard,
It would really help me if you would go a little lower on the hyperbole. As soon as possible is indeed not tomorrow. It's today. Only we both agree that would be a very bad idea. What you probably mean is "As soon as a reasonable replacement for processes and talk pages can be found" - but when I phrase it like that, it becomes open for discussion what that reasonable replacement could be. It makes it very hard to keep taking your posts seriously if you keep speaking in such hyperbole.
--Martijn
On 10 September 2014 19:25, Diego Moya dialmove@gmail.com wrote:
Gerard, please think of the consequences of what you're proposing. There are features at talk pages (detailed watchlists, incremental diffs, true deletion of content) that allow editors and admins to detect and combat vandalism and remove BLP sensible material and libel; features which are not available in Flow as of today.
Leaving this material unchecked would expose the Foundation to legal risk. Would you allow that possibility so that editors can edit from mobile devices? I hope not, but that's exactly what you've suggested. The "tinkering" is needed so that the core functions are not lost in the process to deploy nice-to-have features (and yes, mobile editing is in the "nice to have" category if you compare it to finding and removing oversightable material of sensible nature).
On 10 September 2014 18:59, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Ditch talk pages asap. In my opinion tinkering is mostly a waste of
effort.
Thanks, GerardM
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