On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
On 10 September 2014 07:54, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
On 8 September 2014 08:22, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
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- potential to work with Notifications ("tell me when anyone replies
to this discussion") without needing individual pings or relying on spotting one talkpage edit in a busy watchlist - especially since on some pages a comment may come two years later.
You know, Andrew, this was always something that I thought would be one of the real features of Flow, one of the things that could pull people over to supporting the transition. Until it got turned it on.
I have 'watch-listed' the Flow-specific pages on Mediawikiwiki (MWW) and English Wikipedia for a very long time. When they turned on notifications at MWW about a week ago, my mailbox and notifications were flooded - I'm not talking just a little bit, I mean I got so many notifications that I couldn't sort out the ones that weren't related to that one specific Flow page - and that was with a single Flow stream being watched. I suppose I expected it to be like the email notices we get when a watched page gets edited on non-Wikipedia projects (e.g., Meta, MWW) - that is, the first change would generate an email/notification and nothing more until I went to the "page" itself. From what I've been told, this isn't something that Echo/notifications does or was meant to do.
I know the Flow team is scrambling to try to reduce the overwhelming nature of the notifications. But it occurs to me that there was a reason why "email notification" was never turned on for Wikipedia projects - the sheer volume of messages that would be generated for users with hundreds or thousands of pages on their watchlists - and that's going to be just as much an issue for Flow as it would be if we just turned on those email messages today. Looks brilliant on paper, but reality is a different thing.
Risker/Anne
I think this is something of an oops, and not really something we should judge the product on. Currently the broken mess is "notify on all posts on all threads on the page", which should be "notify on all posts on the subscribed thread, and possible on new threads on the watched page." Everybody acknowledges the former is a mistake and stuff like that can happen in testing.
--Martijn
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