Hoi,
I expected that it was obvious... Arguments that are based on desktop
experiences are futile because the desktop experience is the lesser of two
evils. The desktop experience is already bad, the experience on mobiles and
tablets is much worse it is intolerably unusable,
Yes, you are overlooking stuff when you only consider inserting an isolated
comment that may help. That is not the only problem and not even the main
problem. Reading and analysing talk pages is already next to impossible in
this environment therefore inserting an isolated comment does not help
enough to make the experience at least bearable.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 10 September 2014 09:47, Martijn Hoekstra <martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sep 10, 2014 9:35 AM, "Gerard Meijssen"
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi.
When you look at talk pages in isolation, you look at them on a computer
screen. A mobile or tablet screen is increasingly not used in isolation.
I'm not sure what you mean by this.
It
is where we find our new users and editors. We
cannot afford to ignore
them; they are our future. This is why tinkering with talk pages is not
an
option. Moving away from talk pages because of
mobiles and tablets is the
killer reason why we need to move away from talk pages.
It is a killer reason because it makes all arguments to the contrary pale
away.
Thanks,
GerardM
What I find most painful about talk pages on mobile (on the desktop skin,
because so far I've been too impatient to find talk pages and edit
functionality on mobile) have been that editing huge text areas really
sucks (the scrolling and positioning the cursor is a huge pain). This is
not limited to talk pages by the way, but is identical for mainspace pages.
A reply button that inserts an isolated comment at the correct indentation
level would fix that. Am I overlooking stuff?
On 10 September 2014 09:20, Martijn Hoekstra <martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Sep 10, 2014 5:11 AM, "Keegan Peterzell" <keegan.wiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Wil Sinclair <wllm(a)wllm.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > FWIW, I signed my first comment by hand. I missed the comments
about
> > > sigs in the wikitext editor
interface. If it weren't for my family
> > > situation, I'm pretty sure I would have bailed. In any case, it was
> > > much easier to engage at WO, and that was partly- but not mostly-
due
> > > to the fact that they run
discussion software over there.
> > >
> > > ,Wil
> > >
> > >
> > This - signing by hand - is pretty much a universal experience for
new
> > users, myself included.
> >
> >
>
>
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_Alaska&diff=…
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ~Keegan
> >
> >
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan
>
> I'm not saying that isn't crap and unwelcoming: it is, and it deters
new
> users. But it's hardly the end of the
world either. By signing the
wrong
> way no real harm is done, if someone just
tells you about the option to
use
> ~~~~
>
> It's crap and archaic and should be fixed, but it's also an example of
the
> idea that there are no mistakes on a wiki.
So you did something not
right?
> Great, that means you contributed. So we fix
it (collaboratively) and
> improve your contribution, no harm done.
>
> That said, auto sign and a reply button would be a *whole* lot
friendlier
> than what we have now, and would be great
improvements over the current
> situation.
>
> Flow definitely has a reply button, and automatic signing as well, but
I
> can't help but think that just those
features in isolation would be
better
> then completely overhauling talk pages.
>
> --Martijn
>
> >
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