+1
On 8 September 2014 16:43, Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
a) This discussion actually belongs to a talk page on Meta or
Mediawiki.org, for example :-)
b) All my experience in teaching Wikipedia tells me that the talk page
system is absolutely outdated and inappropriate. It is, sorry to use this
word, *ridiculous* that you have to teach people how to communicate
technically in Wikipedia. I never had to explain to someone how to do that
on Facebook...
As other people have pointed it out already, if you are already accustomed
to the Wikipedia user interface for a longer time, you might find it
difficult to fully understand what is the problem for newbies. And how big
this is a problem, and how important it is to solve this problem.
Kind regards
Ziko
Am Montag, 8. September 2014 schrieb Risker :
Well, I think that the "article
editing" project (i.e., VE) has a huge
potential for also resolving a lot of discussion space issues. I don't
see
tacking on yet another UI as being a positive for
new editor introduction
or retention, and cannot think of another significant site that has two
such wildly divergent interfaces (one very flexible and the other very
rigid in structure), except perhaps in the mobile vs. desktop situation.
I dunno, Marc. There are different expectations about signature,
depending
on the target group. We still have people being
freaked out that article
histories contain their username or IP (a form of automatic signature),
so
I'm not convinced that there's an
expectation on the part of new users
that
anything they write anywhere will automatically
be signed.
Risker/Anne
On 8 September 2014 10:24, Marc A. Pelletier <marc(a)uberbox.org
<javascript:;>> wrote:
On 09/08/2014 10:18 AM, Risker wrote:
> The most obvious one is automatic signing of comments, and it is
> something that we have technically been able to impose for years;
sinebot
> > didn't come into existence in a vacuum.
>
> I suppose that's a philosophical divergence between us then - that
> sinebot even needs to exist to me is demonstration that the system is
> broken.
>
> You say that discussion isn't all that much harder than editing
content.
> Even if I agreed with that (and I do not,
edit conflicts in articles
> are much rarer than on talk pages - and usually easier to sort out),
> that's not a *good* thing!
>
> Participating in discussion should be much, *much* easier than editing
> articles: encouraging newbies to seek help and participate in the
> community *before* diving in anything but trivial article edits would
be
an
immensely powerful retention tool!
(Which isn't to say that editing articles doesn't *also* need a lot of
help - but that's a different project).
-- Marc
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