Wasn't the creation of the DRAFT namespace at least in part a response to concerns raised at ACTRIAL, in particular new, poorly developed articles showing up in mainspace?
Risker/Anne
On 1 September 2014 19:08, Joe Decker joedecker@gmail.com wrote:
This, to the best of my knowledge, represents the entirety of the WMF's response to ACTRIAL. To the extent that there was additional feedback given, it was not given at WP:ACTRIAL, nor any other venue I am aware of.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30208
--Joe
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
That's the issue I cited above. You haven't heard more complaints,
because
the complaint was pointless the first time and took a massive effort to produce.
The underlying issue isn't fixed. We're still drowning in crap and spam from people who never have the slightest intent of editing helpfully, and those who are newbies who genuinely want to help but need guidance get caught in the crossfire aimed at the vandals and spammers. It is
relatively
rare that when a genuinely new editor's first edit is a creation, it is
the
creation of an appropriate article on a workable subject, and that's normally more by dumb luck than them having actual knowledge that they should do it.
So, consider that a complaint. The proposed fix didn't work, and most people at the time didn't figure it would work, but it was clearly the
best
we were going to get.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Philippe Beaudette < pbeaudette@wikimedia.org
wrote:
On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
That's contradicted by, among other things, ACTRIAL as mentioned
above.
The
en.wp community came to a clear consensus for a major change, and the
WMF
shrugged and said "Nah, rather not."
That's... Not exactly what I remember happening there. What I remember
was
that a pretty good number (~500) of enwiki community members came
together
and agreed on a problem, and one plan for how to fix it and asked the
WMF
to implement it. The WMF evaluated it, and saw a threat to a basic
project
value. WMF then asked "what's the problem you're actually trying to solve?", and proposed and built a set of tools to directly address that problem without compromising the core value of openness. And it seems
to
have worked out pretty well because I haven't heard a ton of complaints about that problem since.
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