People Who Are Able to Edit Articles But Not to Code dismiss wiki syntax
much more than I do.
Most of them don't even bother to begin to understand it. The few who do
are a rare exception. A wiki syntax IDE will not "go a long way", as the
article says, in helping them edit. They will still be forced to do mental
mapping from [[]] to links, from ==== to headings, and so on, even if it's
shown side-by-side.
--
Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
“We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2014-10-25 21:22 GMT+03:00 Martijn Hoekstra <martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com>om>:
On Oct 25, 2014 8:03 PM, "Amir E. Aharoni"
<amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il>
wrote:
Perpetuating it with a dedicated IDE wouldn't help it go away.
I doubt that. Side by side wikitext and result, making you see the result
of either in the other in real time could help adoption of wysiwyg
techniques, help improve them, and help people ease in to using them. Your
wonton dismissiveness is worrysome to me.
בתאריך 25 באוק 2014 20:51, "Martijn
Hoekstra" <martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com
כתב:
> On Oct 25, 2014 7:20 PM, "Amir E. Aharoni" <
amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il
> wrote:
> >
> > Because, even though I'm well aware of the fact that lots of
experienced
> > wikipedians love wiki syntax, the wiki
syntax must go away, and will
go
> > away. Maybe in five years, maybe ten,
maybe twenty. But it will go
away.
> > Investing effort in an IDE for it is
pointless.
>
> So fortunately we didn't invest in something five years ago with an
> expected lifespan of 10 to 25 years?
>
> >
> > Templates are, indeed, programs. Articles aren't. Wikidata and Winter
(or
> > something like Winter) will remove the
need to edit transclusions as
part
> > of the articles' source code in
maybe three years (maybe much less).
> > Development should focus on that, rather than on an IDE for a
language
> that
> > should as soon as possible become transparent to all editors.
> >
> > (This is not an official representation of the Wikimedia Foundation's
> > opinion.)
> > בתאריך 25 באוק 2014 19:40, "Martijn Hoekstra" <
martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com
> >
> > כתב:
> >
> > > On Oct 25, 2014 6:17 PM, "Amir E. Aharoni" <
> amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank goodness this wasn't written five years ago, otherwise
somebody
> > > could
> > > > get the awful idea to implement it.
> > >
> > > Having a side by side really time wikitext - display doesn't sound
like
> an
> > > aweful idea at all to me. I'm quite surprised anyone would find
that
> aweful
> > > actually. I don't understand why you're so dismissive of that
idea.
> > >
> > > --Martijn
> > > > בתאריך 25 באוק 2014 18:26, "Kim Bruning"
<kim(a)bruning.xs4all.nl>
> כתב:
> > > >
> > > > > I spotted this article linked from
news.ycombinator.com,
> > > > > arguing -well- what it says on the tin. ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Apologies if someone else already posted a link.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
https://medium.com/@MrJamesFisher/wikipedia-needs-an-ide-not-a-wysiwyg-edit…
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure <scratches head>. Well, if we allow lua
in
templates,
> > > > > I suppose things
actually are already pretty Interesting.
> > > > >
> > > > > sincerely,
> > > > > Kim Bruning
> > > > >
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