Keep in mind that the projects on Y are brainstorms/seeds -- so it is
important to keep that in perspective. By the time they've evolved they
often look radically different.
That said I think there is kernel of truth there. Our components solve
often every problem with one solution. We do need a way to code on top of
wikis, but that is not necessarily the same thing as a tool to quickly
add/remove text. But we tend to think of them as one.
Do we need a better interface for writing components of top of wikis -- I'd
think so. Do we need a better way to edit text -- for sure. Are those two
the same thing?
Lila
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Amir E. Aharoni <
amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Perpetuating it with a dedicated IDE wouldn't help
it go away.
בתאריך 25 באוק 2014 20:51, "Martijn Hoekstra"
<martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com>
כתב:
On Oct 25, 2014 7:20 PM, "Amir E.
Aharoni" <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il
wrote:
>
> Because, even though I'm well aware of the fact that lots of
experienced
> wikipedians love wiki syntax, the wiki
syntax must go away, and will go
> away. Maybe in five years, maybe ten, maybe twenty. But it will go
away.
Investing
effort in an IDE for it is pointless.
So fortunately we didn't invest in something five years ago with an
expected lifespan of 10 to 25 years?
>
> Templates are, indeed, programs. Articles aren't. Wikidata and Winter
(or
> something like Winter) will remove the need
to edit transclusions as
part
of the
articles' source code in maybe three years (maybe much less).
Development should focus on that, rather than on an IDE for a language
that
> should as soon as possible become transparent to all editors.
>
> (This is not an official representation of the Wikimedia Foundation's
> opinion.)
> בתאריך 25 באוק 2014 19:40, "Martijn Hoekstra" <
martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com
כתב:
> On Oct 25, 2014 6:17 PM, "Amir E. Aharoni" <
amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il
>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank goodness this wasn't written five years ago, otherwise
somebody
> > could
> > > get the awful idea to implement it.
> >
> > Having a side by side really time wikitext - display doesn't sound
like
an
> aweful idea at all to me. I'm quite
surprised anyone would find that
aweful
> actually. I don't understand why
you're so dismissive of that idea.
>
> --Martijn
> > בתאריך 25 באוק 2014 18:26, "Kim Bruning"
<kim(a)bruning.xs4all.nl>
כתב:
> >
> > > I spotted this article linked from
news.ycombinator.com,
> > > arguing -well- what it says on the tin. ;-)
> > >
> > > Apologies if someone else already posted a link.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
https://medium.com/@MrJamesFisher/wikipedia-needs-an-ide-not-a-wysiwyg-edit…
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure <scratches head>. Well, if we allow lua in
templates,
> >
> I suppose things actually are already pretty Interesting.
> > >
> > > sincerely,
> > > Kim Bruning
> > >
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