Hi Will, we generally can find critics mainly from those who cannot understand or do not have patience when newbies make mistakes. Obviously I also have this problem sometimes (for this some ironic comments when I suggested in a recent topic suggesting we should criticize more kindlyhttp://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2014-May/071742.html), for this I believe it'll take sometime for we, as a group or even Wikimedia Foundation as an organization, to realise the importance of making mistakes http://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/dennett/papers/howmista.htm and give more importance on our learnings.
My general feeling is that we lack the necessary patience and the limitation of online communication tends to raise unnecessary issues (sometimes called wikidramas), but I have no idea how this cultural change can be achieved in the Wikimedia community. Maybe it will come with nonviolent communication < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_Communication%3E or when we learn to ignore the violence and deal with it with wisdom.
Leadership in this (crazy, in the good sense :) horizontal community can also be a factor to improve the discussions environment, be it on mailing lists, forums or the wiki. The TeaHouse is a great example. The ideia of Wikipedia ambassadors to work on educational environments, although not sustainable in the mid term, is another cool idea. Those great videos made by Victor idem. More ideias will come, I believe. :)
Tom
2014-05-28 17:18 GMT-03:00 Wil Sinclair wllm@wllm.com:
Well, we were discussing IRC and my experience there in this thread, and many people were asking me to "wait." I find this interesting, because some on Wikipediocracy also asked me to "wait," with the significant exception that this was to "wait until I so something, then come back." In this case, it was "wait until you've read these articles and seen this stuff on-wiki, then come back." I agreed. They then checked in with me regularly (I think most of them thought I was going to bail), and once I had read the material I had agreed to read, we resumed the discussion. It's all here: It's all here on this thread: http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4531
But I think I've figured out a way for me to bring up topics without worrying about my level of experience with Wikipedia/Wikimedia. I'll start a new thread with my concerns and what I've come up with.
,Wil