Yes, that was mentioned on the Wikipediocracy thread, as well. I apologize to that person and the WMF for my misunderstanding.
Other than establishing the fact that I wrongly stated that this person is a WMF employee, the revdelete doesn't seem to warrant more investigation according to existing policy. As I mentioned before, I assume this revdelete was justified by published policy, so it doesn't matter who made it beyond correcting my mistake. I would like to protect that person's ability to act in good faith going forward.
The IRC conversation could warrant more discussion based on whether there is interest. I've said all I wanted to say on the matter (that I will not be engaging in private conversations with WMF employees for the time being), but I'd be happy to answer any questions that others might have.
Again, I'm sorry for my mistake, and thanks for pointing it out. ,Wil
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
A slight correction: the revision was rev-deleted by a member of the community - a member of ArbCom, in fact - and not an employee of the Foundation.
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On May 28, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Wil Sinclair wllm@wllm.com wrote:
Hi Fae, if you're referring to the discussion on this page, then I think I make it quite clear why I won't engage with WMF employees going forward: http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4680&start=150.
To be sure, I'm not used to having anyone from Lila's team immediately emailing her through their official company addresses as soon as I ask a question in a public forum. In this case, the WMF has made it quite clear that the IRC channels aren't official and/or sponsored by the WMF, and I was asking about community affairs WRT to those channels. So my question about why a user was kicked from the channel didn't have anything to do with the WMF. I still don't understand why this employee felt it was necessary to bring Lila's attention to "safety concerns" through official WMF employee channels, although I'm sure he or she felt it was the right thing to do and I've given them the benefit of the doubt that it was. Of course, I can't form my own independent opinion, since a WMF employee revdeleted the rev in question in the ~10 minutes between when it was first posted and when I tried clicking on the link.
In any case, it should be made clear that the WMF did not ask me to disengage with employees and has not yet asked me to stop posting to Wikipediocracy directly. So far, the organization itself has respected my individuality; I can only appeal to everyone in the WP community and all WMF employees to do the same in the future. I will be engaging with the broader WP community in whatever way I can, but I've made the hard decision to limit my engagement with WMF employees to public, logged forums from now on.
,Wil
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 5:59 AM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/05/2014, Lila Tretikov lila@wikimedia.org wrote: ... independent individual able to speak with his own voice and ask his own questions. He does not take direction from me. He will not work for the WMF or engage with the WMF employees.
Thanks for making these distinctions. It is sad to see that your time and energy is being used so early on in your introduction to the Wikimedia community, in creating a political distance between yourself and the public actions of your life partner, due to his casual curiosity about Wikimedia projects. A curiosity that only manifested itself shortly after the public announcement of your employment by the Foundation board.
I do not really understand the point being made about not "engaging" with WMF employees, any active volunteer on Wikimedia projects should and must be free to engage with WMF employees. The statement does not appear to match actions over the last 24 hours, with Wil freely making public comments about his dissatisfaction after conversations (emails?) with some WMF employees.
Thanks again for clarifying your position during this difficult start to your engagement.
Fae
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