On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Kevin Gorman kgorman@gmail.com wrote:
Pete: there's not really any point in making this thread a laundry list of times that admins and crats on commons fucked up vs times they didn't fuck up.
As I said (at Fae's suggestion), there's no reason to clutter the list. If you want to dig into this, I'd suggest setting up a wiki page (or a discussion at, say, the Commons Village Pump). And the reason I suggested it is, as I said, to generate some actual examples, so that we can move away from the sweeping generalizations you have been repeatedly making in this discussion thread.
Admins and crats on commons have also historically made a large number of decisions that fly in the face of WMF board resolutions, often repeatedly.
David Gerard's point is ringing very true here: you will not make this assertion more true merely by repeating it. Examples, please -- or else please drop it.
A project where people with advanced userrights fairly
regularly make decisions that fly in the face of WMF board resolutions and are not censured by their peers is a project with problems.
And then you repeat it again, within the same message. Again, without substantiation.
I guess you could argue
that the resolution only says that the board "supports" the POLA rather than requires it,
Indeed: the Board apparently recognized that the POLA as they defined it does not create black-and-white scenarios, and rather than requiring anybody (besides the ED) to do anything specific, concluded with a general request that the community take it into account. That is a strong argument against your position, not a weak one. It clearly demonstrates that there is no rebellion against this resolution, for the very simple reason that *the resolution (wisely) contains no specific mandate against which to rebel.*
Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]]
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 12:14 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 13 May 2014 05:04, Kevin Gorman kgorman@gmail.com wrote:
No, Russavia: I'm not suggesting that Commons' policies should mirror
those
of ENWP. I'm suggesting that Commons should have a process in place
that
ensures that it follows the clearly established resolutions of the WMF board, which I would remind you *do* trump local policy. This
particular
incident failed to do so, and it's not the first time that such a thing
has
occurred on Commons.
See, there you're asserting that this is a slam-dunk violation, and it's really clear just from this thread that it really isn't. Your personal feelings are not the determinant of Wikimedia comment, and won't become so through repetition.
- d.
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