On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Though I like the IMSLP approach, I still like the totally free format of Commons galleries, and many categories have more than one gallery, so a standard approach may not work well. I do think WikiData can help with image navigation somehow, but I am just not sure how. As I understood Lua, this won't help.
It doesn't need to be a fixed structure, it can be a mix with some static media galleries, and some dynamic galleries defined with Ask: https://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries
Ahh - the dream of every Wiki(p/m)edian who has hit the wall on category limitations! I don't believe they will ever become superfluous. Rather, I think we should be increasing the use of categories (using them almost like tags) and even allowing empty categories using placeholders taken from existing Wikipedia articles that are missing pictures.
They could be complementary. For instance, there could be bots that would tag images in the category "sagrada familia" as "depicts:sagrada familia". And the other way round too.
Also, I don't think many of our Sagrada familia photo contributors have an idea what a query is, nor do they care about structured data.
And neither they should! Better to ask: "what is in the picture?" and let them pick any item from wikidata to tag it with.
Using your example, We could split the "Towers of Sagrada familia" into each tower, then into each sculpture on each tower, etc. Volunteers decide the structure of the categories that may or may not match up with WikiData items, but only filled categories are visible to the casual browser. The next time someone uploads something into the default Sagrada Familia category, there could be push messages to the uploader displaying something from the empty category placeholders, along the lines of "Z-language Wikipedia is missing a picture of X tower - does this file show that?"
Excellent idea! Actually any part of Sagrada Familia that can have a gallery page, could fulfill the criteria for having a Wikidata item. There we can store data about the item and its relation with the whole ("sagrada familia right tower"<part of>"Sagrada Familia") or about the height, builders, status, etc. Then it becomes trivial to display the whole tree and signal which parts are missing. As an example of tree check: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/tree.html?q=Q1785783&rp=361&l...
If this tree was connected with Commons, then I could know which compositions miss audio and try to find a recording. Same for any building that can be partitioned. Just build the concept tree in Wikidata, tag the images appropriately and then you have a very nice overview about which parts miss pictures.
The WLM project has a rough version of this with the "easy upload link" for the unique identifiers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments#Unique_identifiers
This puts the infrastructure on Wikipedia along with the prompt to upload. It would be nice if the prompt to upload could be on Commons directly.
Perfect, later on it could be used a standard wikidata identifier to tag
images with the same result.
Micru