Thank you Issara. I was not at the conference, but journalism is a world I've inhabited, and this was exactly my impression -- an opportunistic reporter cutting many corners to come up with something that would titillate and entertain. Yes, the choice to use real names, given the way she described people, was really inappropriate. But I'm very glad to have this confirmed by somebody who was there and involved.
In the more traditional world, what happened there carries a certain accountability. If a company got that kind of treatment by the NY Magazine, they would call the reporter and express that disappointment, and perhaps put things in motion for better coverage for the future. If the reporter doesn't get it, that's the sort of thing that will result in the publication losing access to the company.
What's our analogue of that? Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]]
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 12:31 AM, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/06/14 06:36, Risker wrote:
Yep, I'm not happy with that particular quote. But you know what? It was a set-up. Any reporter worth her salt attending a conference like this knows how to spot the person in the room that will give them the story they want to tell, and this is what happened here. She came in looking for the geeky white guy whose talent at chatting up women was, um, not his strong suit, and then quoted him instead of talking to the women. Notice that? One would think that the people to talk to about the challenges of being a woman Wikipedian would be the Wikimedia women. And yet the reporter herself refuses to allow them their voice.
I wasn't able to attend this conference, but I talked to several people who did, and I also looked at the photos. What struck me was how many women were there. Some of those who attended were struck by how engaged the women were, too; they were committed to being part of the "gendergap" solution.
Russavia, give everyone a break here. I feel badly for the young woman, because she was put on the spot in a very awkward situation. I feel badly for Kevin, because I think he really does get the importance of expanding the perspectives on Wikipedia and Wikimedia projects, but he was put in a situation that was well outside his comfort level. Wikipedia, Wikimedia and the conference itself were inaccurately portrayed by a media outlet. We all know it happens all the time; it's why we look for multiple reliable sources in our articles.
Hi. Thank you for this.
I was there, the woman who randomly joined in, and I must say, what the journalist did was very unfair to Kevin and the others. It wasn't just putting them on the spot in the way in which she did, but even going so far as the rather childish descriptions to further stereotype them... naming folks by name and then doing that, that seems perhaps even more rude than what we tend to do to each other around here. As I recall Schulenberg had the sense to leave partway through (for which I say good for him), but most of us wouldn't know to do that (or how), and taking advantage of that wasn't very nice either.
Thing is, these guys were put on the spot and pressed, and that they are the ones getting crap for it is ridiculous. Sure, there may have been some some awkward things said, but the entire thing got very awkward and quite frankly I think they handled it remarkably well considering the line of questioning and discourse. A lot of what looks so bad appears to have been jokes taken seriously - because in a tense situation, trying to alleviate the tension with humour is a pretty normal response - and as a result I don't even know how much of what was quoted is even representative of the views of those quoted, never mind the wider community.
For my part, no apologies are owed, nor should anyone expect them to be; these are awkward issues with often no right way to bring them up, and outrage against those who try to respond under pressure and fail to do so diplomatically does not help matters in the slightest when we're all just doing the best we can. So apologise to them, I say, if to anyone. They were the ones wronged.
-K
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