Hi Jane
I got it. ;-)
I am in a similar situation - as a translator, I sign up to a handful of
mutual help lists. On a daily basis, whatever the cry for help in whatever
language, someone will go to the WP and see what it says there (which of
course is great and great news). If the same article is of good quality in
any two languages, then it is better than any dictionary, as you can see
the terms that you are working with and you get to better understand the
concepts (if required - remember, members are translators, not necessarily
experts in the specific subject).
However, if the - in this case - Portuguese page is of poor quality, boy,
do you get the little group that goes on about it. However, try as I may, I
can't get them to donate a few hours to go and fix something that they
moaned about. Some have 'discovered' the discussion pages and click there
to see what I have been discussing with other editors.
Rui
2014-06-01 21:31 GMT+02:00 Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>om>:
Gerard, Thanks for the vote of confidence!
Rui, I meant "interact" in the sense of "user interface", so to edit
Wikipedia, one must first interact with the edit button, something I
have tried endlessly to get my friends to do. Instead, whenever they
notice something wrong on Wikipedia, they call me. Though I am
flattered that they think I know all aspects of several million
articles, it does frustrate me that they think they are doing me a
favor by telling me they found a mistake.
My point is that given a finite number of hours to edit Wikipedia for
any given person (male or female), the number of those hours spent on
a handheld device will affect the productivity of those available
hours in a negative way (like as in zero productivity - go try editing
Wikipedia on a smartphone!).
2014-06-01 21:16 GMT+02:00, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hoi,
<grin> Jane is in my top 1% of most accomplished Wikimedians </grin> She
is
VERY effective on both Wikipedia, Commons and
WIkidata.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 1 June 2014 21:13, Rui Correia <correia.rui(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, from your previous post I was left the distinct impression that
> neither you nor your female friends edit the Wikipedia. So I have gone
> back
> and reread your post to see what I missed. I see that you and your
friends
> "interact". For the life of me I
thought that by "interact" you meant go
> on
> the internet and interact with people - on social media etc. Nothing in
it
> implied that you meant editing the WP.
>
> And no, I have never edited on an iPad - why should I, if I work on as
big
> a screen as I can get that is still small
enough to pack into a travel
> bakpack? ;-)
>
> Rui
>
>
> 2014-06-01 20:47 GMT+02:00 Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>om>:
>
> > I'll bet you have never tried to edit Wikipedia on an iPad
> >
> > 2014-06-01 20:25 GMT+02:00, Rui Correia <correia.rui(a)gmail.com>om>:
> > > Jane
> > >
> > > I think we are talking about two different things. Ownership of or
> access
> > > to equipment with access to the internet is not the same thing as we
> are
> > > talking about. If anything, the fact that more women own any such
> > equipment
> > > only goes to reinforce what we already know, which is that not many
> > girls/
> > > women are taking part in editing the Wikipedia.
> > >
> > > Rui
> > >
> > >
> > > 2014-06-01 9:30 GMT+02:00 Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>om>:
> > >
> > >> Of course I am just a sample of one, but in my personal circle of
> > >> female friends, most of them only interact with a smartphone or
> > >> tablet
> > >> and though they may own a full-fledged computer, they only interact
> > >> with that machine for certain boring and obligatory tasks such as
> > >> filing taxes and printing. This is in and of itself, a reason not
to
> > >> edit, in my mind. Research into
the use of tablets in 2012 in the
> > >> Netherlands did indicate that more women were active on them than
> > >> men,
> > >> and a simple google search picked this 2013 BBC article up about
the
> > >> same holding true for women in
the UK:
> > >> "Women own most of the UK's tablet computers says study"
> > >>
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-23355944
> > >>
> > >> Disclaimer: I am a frequent user of an iPad-1 that my mother (of
all
> > >> people!) gave me for my
birthday.
> > >>
> > >> 2014-06-01 8:52 GMT+02:00, ENWP Pine <deyntestiss(a)hotmail.com>om>:
> > >> >> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 06:39:38 +0100
> > >> >> From: Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com>
> > >> >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
<wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The
first
>
>> >> three weeks]
> >> >> Message-ID:
> >> >> <
> >> CAH7nnD3meyLLRFd+ssS-trSajXRreq0uiDOm07M_9nx-oiqyTw(a)mail.gmail.com
> > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On 1 June 2014 04:26, James Salsman <jsalsman(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> > >> >> ...
> > >> >> >>... selects strongly against women.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Where is the evidence that women have more difficulty
> understanding
> > >> >> > wikitext than men?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> (Probably drifting to "Increase participation by
women")
> > >> >>
> > >> >> As someone who has run editathons on women focused topics, I
found
> > >> >> this an odd comment
that does not match anecdotal experience.
New
> > >> >> women users seem
little different to men in the issues that
arise,
> > and
> > >> >> though I have found myself apologising for the slightly odd
> > >> >> syntax,
> > >> >> given the standard crib-sheet most users get on with basic
article
> > >> >> creation quite
happily.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> There are far more commonly raised issues such as the complex
> issues
> > >> >> associated with image upload (copyright!), or the conceptual
> > >> >> difficulty of "namespaces" which mean that some
webpages behave
> > >> >> differently to others. None is something that appears to
"select
> > >> >> strongly against women", though the encyclopedia's
way of
defining
> > >> >> notability can make it
harder to create articles about pre-1970s
> > >> >> professional women, purely because sources from earlier
periods
> tend
> > >> >> to be biased towards men.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If there are surveys that wiki-syntax is more of a barrier
for
> women
> > >> >> than men (after discounting out other factors), perhaps
someone
> could
> > >> >> provide a link?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Fae
> > >> >
> > >> > FWIW, I think that Lila said at the Zurich hackathon that she had
> > found
> > >> > research indicating that fewer women click the "edit"
button than
> men
> > >> > do.
> > >> > That sounds like a phenomenon that could use some research and
> > >> > experimentation.
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2014-05-10_Wikimedia_Hackathon_Lila…
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Also, the Individual Engagement Grants Committee and WMF have
> funded a
> > >> > research project in this IEG round focused on women's
> > >> > participation.
> > >> >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Women_and_Wikipedia
> > >> >
> > >> > Pine
> > >> >
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