Gerard, Thanks for the vote of confidence! Rui, I meant "interact" in the sense of "user interface", so to edit Wikipedia, one must first interact with the edit button, something I have tried endlessly to get my friends to do. Instead, whenever they notice something wrong on Wikipedia, they call me. Though I am flattered that they think I know all aspects of several million articles, it does frustrate me that they think they are doing me a favor by telling me they found a mistake.
My point is that given a finite number of hours to edit Wikipedia for any given person (male or female), the number of those hours spent on a handheld device will affect the productivity of those available hours in a negative way (like as in zero productivity - go try editing Wikipedia on a smartphone!).
2014-06-01 21:16 GMT+02:00, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, <grin> Jane is in my top 1% of most accomplished Wikimedians </grin> She is VERY effective on both Wikipedia, Commons and WIkidata. Thanks, GerardM
On 1 June 2014 21:13, Rui Correia correia.rui@gmail.com wrote:
Well, from your previous post I was left the distinct impression that neither you nor your female friends edit the Wikipedia. So I have gone back and reread your post to see what I missed. I see that you and your friends "interact". For the life of me I thought that by "interact" you meant go on the internet and interact with people - on social media etc. Nothing in it implied that you meant editing the WP.
And no, I have never edited on an iPad - why should I, if I work on as big a screen as I can get that is still small enough to pack into a travel bakpack? ;-)
Rui
2014-06-01 20:47 GMT+02:00 Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com:
I'll bet you have never tried to edit Wikipedia on an iPad
2014-06-01 20:25 GMT+02:00, Rui Correia correia.rui@gmail.com:
Jane
I think we are talking about two different things. Ownership of or
access
to equipment with access to the internet is not the same thing as we
are
talking about. If anything, the fact that more women own any such
equipment
only goes to reinforce what we already know, which is that not many
girls/
women are taking part in editing the Wikipedia.
Rui
2014-06-01 9:30 GMT+02:00 Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com:
Of course I am just a sample of one, but in my personal circle of female friends, most of them only interact with a smartphone or tablet and though they may own a full-fledged computer, they only interact with that machine for certain boring and obligatory tasks such as filing taxes and printing. This is in and of itself, a reason not to edit, in my mind. Research into the use of tablets in 2012 in the Netherlands did indicate that more women were active on them than men, and a simple google search picked this 2013 BBC article up about the same holding true for women in the UK: "Women own most of the UK's tablet computers says study" http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-23355944
Disclaimer: I am a frequent user of an iPad-1 that my mother (of all people!) gave me for my birthday.
2014-06-01 8:52 GMT+02:00, ENWP Pine deyntestiss@hotmail.com:
> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 06:39:38 +0100 > From: Fæ faewik@gmail.com > To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first > three weeks] > Message-ID: > <
CAH7nnD3meyLLRFd+ssS-trSajXRreq0uiDOm07M_9nx-oiqyTw@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On 1 June 2014 04:26, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote: > ... > >>... selects strongly against women. > > > > Where is the evidence that women have more difficulty
understanding
> > wikitext than men? > > (Probably drifting to "Increase participation by women") > > As someone who has run editathons on women focused topics, I found > this an odd comment that does not match anecdotal experience. New > women users seem little different to men in the issues that arise,
and
> though I have found myself apologising for the slightly odd > syntax, > given the standard crib-sheet most users get on with basic article > creation quite happily. > > There are far more commonly raised issues such as the complex
issues
> associated with image upload (copyright!), or the conceptual > difficulty of "namespaces" which mean that some webpages behave > differently to others. None is something that appears to "select > strongly against women", though the encyclopedia's way of defining > notability can make it harder to create articles about pre-1970s > professional women, purely because sources from earlier periods
tend
> to be biased towards men. > > If there are surveys that wiki-syntax is more of a barrier for
women
> than men (after discounting out other factors), perhaps someone
could
> provide a link? > > Fae
FWIW, I think that Lila said at the Zurich hackathon that she had
found
research indicating that fewer women click the "edit" button than
men
do. That sounds like a phenomenon that could use some research and experimentation.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2014-05-10_Wikimedia_Hackathon_Lila_...
Also, the Individual Engagement Grants Committee and WMF have
funded a
research project in this IEG round focused on women's participation. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Women_and_Wikipedia
Pine
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