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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:02:30 +0100 From: Fæ faewik@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey Message-ID: CAH7nnD3ddsG4HK-w85j+J=nU5zDEBXR-iEE=haL86WdxHhaG5w@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
On 16 July 2014 12:39, Lane Rasberry lane@bluerasberry.com wrote: ...
I asked this researcher to discontinue the survey pending a check on the impact of it on the Wikipedia community. I said this because I feel they are out of compliance with even the soft suggestions in research that are available, and they know this.
Good point. If anyone wanted to research deletion discussion patterns and outcomes on the English Wikipedia or other projects, I could knock out a nice analysis using a little passive but intelligent bot work depending on their requirements. I'm easy to find.
I'm pretty sure this would be a lot cheaper in volunteer time or research time than creating surveys to answer very similar questions, particularly if the resulting report were freely published so that volunteers could give their "subjective value responses" to that instead.
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Good points, Lane. Such things were possibly discussed before, but it's the first time that I see it it spelled out like this.
This approach should be advertised a bit somehow, so that the researchers know how to do it ethically and for everybody's benefit, and so that the experienced Wikipedians would know not to start answering such surveys.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2014-07-16 14:39 GMT+03:00 Lane Rasberry lane@bluerasberry.com:
Hello,
I feel that this is an unethical research project and I have told the researcher so. We exchanged several emails and were unable to understand each other. I asked them to please have their university ethics board contact me.
I asked the researcher about RCOM and other things. This person said they posted to RCOM, but "the Meta page states that submissions should receive responses within 1-2 weeks, and yet our messages went unanswered. We have institutional ethics approval, but that doesn't last indefinitely, and so after receiving no response we opted to go ahead."
I am not going to share more than