Of course it's not a strict 1:1 ratio! But I was comparing it to (for example) English or Spanish, which the country of origin represent a minority of all speakers worldwide.
Charles
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Kevin Gorman kgorman@gmail.com wrote:
I would dispute the suggestion the Finnish Wikipedia is specific to Finland; I read it regularly and have never been to Finland. There are at a bare minimum something like 300,000 fluent Finnish speakers who don't live in Finland (and I don't think that's counting the portion of Swedes who speak Finnish,) so although the fundraising banner probably primarily attracted donations from people in Finland, it likely attracted plenty of donations from other countries as well.
Best, Kevin Gorman
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Charles Gregory wmau.lists@chuq.net wrote:
In Australia, we (Wikimedia Australia) had to get fundraising approval before the 2010 fundraiser (when the chapters accepted and processed the payments and then passed a share back to the Wikimedia Foundation). This was made more complicated due to the fundraising laws being a state issue rather than national and so we had to seek approval from each state, some with different requirements than others (for example, some needed a
member
in that state willing to act as a contact person).
When this arrangement ended and Wikimedia Foundation took on the fundraising themselves, this was no longer a requirement due to the WMF
not
being an Australian organisation. (Although we advised WMF to seek their own legal advice to confirm this)
Your situation appears to be different for several reasons:
- Your situation involves a group of users, not a chapter (the donation
is
to a non-Finnish organisation) 2) The donation information is in a language specific to your country -
and
so by targetting Finnish speakers, they were targetting Finland
residents -
whereas the same language is spoken in Australia and the United States.
With #1 - given the number of smaller websites with a "Donate via Paypal" button in the corner, I don't think this should be an issue.
The only thing that would shift this in the Finnish police's favour is
#2 -
suggesting that Finns were involved in the fundraising - and as others
have
said, this could quite easily be a person (or people) who the Finnish government has no jurisdiction over (a national of another country who
has
learned Finnish, for example). Unless the Finnish Government has some
sort
of strange ownership or legal connection to the Finnish language...
(Dislcaimer: IANAL of course)
(BTW - I was amused that even Google translate failed to translate Nemo's link the first time around!)
Regards,
Charles Gregory (User:Chuq)
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Leinonen Teemu <teemu.leinonen@aalto.fi
wrote:
Hi,
I just got a message that the Finnish Police have asked the
fi.wikipedia,
by sending an email to the wikifi-admin@list.wikimedia.org, to give a written statement about their possible violation of the laws that
regulate
fundraising in Finland. There is a little news about this already
online
in
English. Here:
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2014/02/07/finnish_police_probe_wi...
I chat about this with a lawyer friend and he was afraid that the
police
msy go after the volunteers that have participated in the fundraising,
e.g.
by translating the fundraising messages.
Is there any equivalent cases from other countries?
In Finland one needs a pre-given permission to do fundraising.
- Teemu
Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture
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