Hey Pete,
Thanks for pointing me towards that discussion - I hadn't spotted it, and I've replied (and apologised for not noticing it) accordingly.
This is definitely a loop worth closing, as it's a right pain to deal with when working with derivative images of Wikipedia page screenshots. For a practical example, see: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_in_Catego...
I can kinda understand why the software doesn't deal with messed-up situations like this - it shouldn't need to do so in the first place. I hope that we as a community can fix this by sensible licensing choices, rather than blaming the software.
Thanks, Mike
On 24 Aug 2014, at 20:21, Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com wrote:
Mike --
Did you see the recent discussion about this at [[Talk:Cheetah]]? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cheetah#Lead_photo_license
Although Erik Moeller recommended in 2008 (with the move to Creative Commons licenses) that we stop permitting new uploads of files on the basis of a GFDL license, as far as I can tell, that recommendation was never adopted in any policy, so it's still possible to upload GFDL files. (The fact that this file happens to also have a CC B Y-NC-SA license is not the basis of any WM decision -- it just happens the photographer also permits that license.) I've confirmed by private email correspondence that this photographer is clear about the licenses he does and doesn't want to use.
Seems like a loophole worth closing. Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]]
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
I've swapped it for a CC-licensed file that does allow for commercial reuse. Problem solved?
Thanks, Mike
On 24 Aug 2014, at 19:55, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
Hmm, that file seems to be released under a non-commercial Creative
Commons license, in addition to the GFDL. The bug here seems to be bad licensing, rather than bad attribution (since when did we start accepting -NC licenses?!).
Thanks, Mike
On 24 Aug 2014, at 18:03, Jeevan Jose jkadavoor@gmail.com wrote:
Try to "download as PDF" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheetah
Check Image Sources, Licenses and Contributors.
It attributes File:Cheetah Feb09 02.jpg Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Cheetah_Feb09_02.jpg License: unknown Contributors: Fir0002, Peteforsyth
This is very wrong as license is not fetched and photographer is only
Fir;
not all people edited that "file" page.
I raised this complaint earlier (in Commons). This is mentioned at EN
too
by Stefan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Copying_within_Wikipedia#For_le...
I think this is a serious violation and need immediate attention.
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