On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com wrote:
magnus, a vote always has 3 options.
- i am for it
- i am against it
- i can live with the outcome of the vote
<nitpick> You mean "do not particularly care about it", surely? That you can live with the outcome of a vote, whatever outcome that is, is a fundamental principle of democracy, not a voting option. </nitpick>
so i did not vote. because i can live with both. but i do respect the vote. i do respect admin decisions, i even voted for some admins.
at the end it is very simple. the one who produces software has a conflict of interest. so this person or organisation is not in a good position to decide when it is used.
wmf, its employees and voluntary officers need to be exemplary with respect to conflicts of interest, imo. always. errors are allowed as well as excuses of course.
There needs to be a balance between the wishes of (some members of) the logged-in community, the (otherwise silent) majority of readers, and the WMF.
German Wikipedia had 1.1 billion page views in June [1]. ~300 votes (~2/3 against MediaViewer) do not represent the readers, IMHO.
The Foundation is tasked with managing the hardware and software that runs Wikipedia. On Wikimania, several remarks were made about how outdated Wikipedia appears. WMF tries to improve that situation. No, MediaViewer is not perfect. What software is? When is it "perfect" enough to go live by default? WMF should have a say there.
magnus you said you are not happy with media viewer. and you always produce software people like. what should they improve?
Like many other "old hands", it seems to get in the way of my workflow. Not an issue for me, as long as I can turn it off.
It's probably fine for "modern" viewing, although it's hard to guess that you get to the file page via the little Commons icon for people who (in all likelihood) have never seen that icon, or visited Commons.
Cheers, Magnus
[1] https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryDE.htm
rupert Am 12.08.2014 14:45 schrieb "Magnus Manske" magnusmanske@googlemail.com:
Also, 118 people (190 vs. 72 votes in the "poll" [1] on German Wikipedia) are not "the community". They are a small part of the community.
The people who would profit [2] from the Media Viewer as a default
feature
were not consulted.
Cheers, Magnus
[1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Medienbetrachter [2] Value of ""profit" TBD
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
As one has been there, done that, I would like to point out that there
is
an order of magnitude difference between Internet Brands and WMF. Cheers, Peter
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On 12.08.2014 02:26, svetlana wrote:
If we accept the policy in principle, I don't care who enforces such policy, that be community or WMF. Such policy does not go against community entirely, unless WMF shows a will to reject community patches related to issues which community finds important. Whether or not this is the case, I don't care; it's a website in their hands and they're welcome to shut it off without notice, or to experiment at leisure.
svetlana
Whoever believes that an administration of a crowdsourcing website can
do
whatever they want just because they are running the website should recollect what recently happened to Internet Brands and Wikitravel.
Cheers Yaroslav
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