Oh sorry, that was totally not the intention. It must be the strange beer
here at the Thistle Barbecue hotel.
Am 11.08.2014 00:54 schrieb "Richard Symonds" <
richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk>gt;:
MF-Warburg, that came across as a bit rude...
On 11 Aug 2014 00:29, "MF-Warburg" <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
Your mail is embarrassing.
If you think the foundation is like the parent of the community, you
don't
understand anything about the foundation nor the
community.
Am 11.08.2014 00:05 schrieb "John Lewis" <johnflewis93(a)gmail.com>om>:
The people who were actually responsible were the
community. Erik was
acting in a preventative role to prevent further disruption not punish
administrators. The community. couldn't take no for an answer and what
has
happened?
* Wheel/edit wars
* A new user right to prevent disruption
* A priviledge has been revoked on dewiki
* A user has been desysoped by the community for no reason on dewiki
And who are we blaming? Erik. Why? Because we are a bunch of stubborn
children. We don't get what we want so we are kicking and screaming to
get
> it but in the end; we don't and we then accuse our parent (WMF) of
being
too
harsh, mean and taking away something we like but do not deserve.
To be honest - until we as a community learn we are not the overlords,
the
masters, god of
Wikimedia, we can work to building a real encyclopedia with awesome
feature
where are all work in a good environment and get
on as a community and
Foundation.
I am not saying the WMF is perfect and is not in the wrong; they
certainly
> have some blame to take and I will come onto that shortly, but we can
not
> blame the Foundation for revoking something
we clearly do not deserve.
>
> >
> Erik, While I will say you have not been communicating stuff the best
you
> can and this new user right was proxy
deployed by Tim and an advocate
and
> not your self - you mean well and I see
this. I agree with everything
you
> have done so far as a matter of fact.
>
> Fabrice, Have you attempted to start any discussions with communities
in
exactly
why they don't want Media Viewer and how exactly it causes so
much
dispute that it requires Erik to proxy intervene?
It not, please do so.
In a short conclusion - I feel both parties have acted inappropriately
and
our bitching at each other does far than solve
it. The WMF had to
implement
> a new right and revoke dewiki's access to their site wide js page
because
of their
refusal to accept what the WMF said and want to create a
performance killer hack to 'fix it' at the cost of performance. Why did
dewiki have to do this? The WMF refusing to disable Media Viewer. From
what
I see, the WMF have backed up by they refused to
do this for Wikipedias
and
> their compromise for Commons is acceptable. I have yet to see a valid
> reason why Media Viewer exactly makes Wikipedia go into a 'OMG UNUSABLE
> DISABLE IT FUCKING NOW OR I WILL' state. Media Viewer allows you to
view
and
images without leaving the page - reducing load time for both users
and
> the WMF. It is hardly the beginning if the end for images.
>
> If we take a quick look at the statistics - 64 voted against Media
Viewer
> on the English Wikipedia while 6kish users
enabled it, this shows 1.1%
> consensus for disabling the extension in a whole.
>
> I will not ramble on any more. I just ask the community to stop
bitching
at
the WMF and accept their decision. Until then - I
fully support Erik
super
protecting every single js and CSS page on every
wiki as most Sysop I
feel
are technically incompetent.
John Lewis
--
John Lewis
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