Good point, Asaf. Jessie, is there a way to take this into account when
compating costs and benefits?
I agree with Gerard that there can be survey or reporting fatigue, though I
have yet to hear an IEG grantee complain. The APG application and reporting
system seems more extensive and I can see how it can discourage small orgs
from APG funding, on the other hand there seem to be issues of
cost-effectiveness and outcome reporting with some existing large APG
grantees. Perhaps there should be easier an APG process for small orgs and
more specific cost and outcome reporting requirements for large orgs.
Pine
On Aug 1, 2014 8:56 AM, "Asaf Bartov" <abartov(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Another point to consider is that comparing grants
that include staff
compensation to grants that do not is necessarily tipping the scales.
Volunteer time is a cost too (though borne by the volunteers themselves and
not by the funder), and ignoring it in cost-benefit analysis will always
give the impression that grants including staff are significantly less
effective, whether or not they truly are.
It may make sense to ignore it if the funder is only interested in straight
impact-for-dollars; it seems to me that WMF is a funder that cares about
_movement resources_, including volunteer time, and not just dollars out of
its own budget.
A.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jessie,
Thanks for the quick reply.
Issue 1 may be challenging to measure even with Wikimetrics. Can we talk
about this during the Research Hackathon next week if we can set up a
time
off-list?
Thanks for the info about issue 2. I am grateful to learn that you did an
evaluation of PEG. It is interesting to compare that evaluation with the
evaluation of IEG. A number of grantmaking committee members and grantees
will be at Wikimania and I hope the PED team will introduce themselves
and
be available to discuss these studies, especially
if there is a plenary
meeting of all the Meta grantmaking committee members who attend
Wikimania.
Thanks very much,
Pine
On Jul 31, 2014 2:50 PM, "Jessie Wild" <jwild(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Thanks for listening to the presentation, Pine!
There will be a more comprehensive analysis posted on Meta, but in the
meantime to answer your questions:
> 1. I'm aware that Program Evaluation is examining the outcomes of
> conferences this year, and Jamie and I have discussed this in at least
two
> places on Meta. I'm curious about if and
how you plan to measure the
online
>> impact of conferences; not just what people and groups say they will
do
in
>> post-survey conferences, but what they actually do online in
verifiable
ways in the subsequent 3-12 months.
Jaime and I and the others on the Grantmaking team are working together
on
this, and experimenting with some different ways
of evaluating the work
in
the few months following the conferences. One way
to do this in a small
experiment, for example, is to run a cohort of users who received
Wikimania
Scholarships through Wikimetrics at different
increments throughout the
year following. This is something I have been curious to do for a long
time, but never had the tool to do it on an aggregate level!
>
> 2. You said in your presentation that there is no direct correlation
> between grant size and measurable online impact. From the slides at
around
> the 1:13-1:15 minute marks, it looks to me
like the correlation is
> negative, meaning that smaller grants produced disproportionately more
> impact. I can say that within IEG this occurred partly because we had
some
> highly motivated and generous grantees who
volunteered a considerable
> amount of time to work with modest amounts of money, and I don't think
we
> should expect that level of generosity from
all grantees, but I think
that
>> grantmaking committees may want (A) to take into account the level of
>> motivation of grantees, (B) to consider breaking large block grants
into
>
discrete smaller projects with individual reporting requirements, and
(C)
> for larger grants where there seem to be a
lot of problems with
reporting
> and a disappointing level of
cost-effectiveness, to be more assertive
about
> tying funding to demonstrated results and
reliable, standardized
reporting
>> with assistance from WMF. What do you think?
>>
>> Well, there are definite outliers, and the slides aggregate by program
> type rather than by size. So, for example, several of the IEG grants
were
much
bigger than than the majority of PEG grants. So - not exactly
negative
> correlation (at least, we can't definitively say that).
>
> I absolutely agree with your (C) suggestion, and your (B) suggestion is
> very interesting too - we haven't discussed that one. It may be worth
> considering if there are larger project-based grants. For the annual
plan
> grants, we have this in terms of quarterly
reports (and midpoint
reports
> for IEG), so we do try to do interventions
with grantees if it looks
like
they are
off-track. As for (A), based on what we saw through our
evaluation of IEG[1], motivation is definitely important but the key
difference for outlier performance was from those grantees that had
*specific
> target audiences* identified, so they knew exactly who they wanted to
be
working
with and how to reach those people. So, I would want committees
to
take into account grants with a specific target
audience or specific
target
topic area (for quality improvements, for
example; we saw this for
successful outreach in PEG grants[2]). More explicitly on motivation,
while
it is difficult to measure for new grantees, you
can see a lot about
someone's motivation and creativity based on their past reports if they
are
> a returning grantee. I would definitely encourage our committees to
look
> back on past reports from returning
grantees!
>
> - Jessie
>
> [1]
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Learning/Round_1_2013/Impact
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Learning/2013-14
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