My 2 cents here is to lower the level of such
ignorance as much as
possible
and build them in into this proposal; at least by
pointing out what to
avoid based on their failures (not to mention to learn what could work as
showed popular) to speed up the process
Yes, that would be a good idea. The only case I'm particularly familiar
with is the WCA, which was a good idea that didn't work out.
The WCA did some useful work in this area - particularly promoting the
concept of peer review and shared learning. I have linked to all the WCA
outcomes that I'm aware of in this area, if I have missed them please point
them out!
The main lesson I draw from the WCA's experience though is that a) trying
to set up a structure that solves many problems is not something we are
ready to do; and b) that it is better to treat this as an issue that the
WMF should engage in than something that it shouldn't.
Chris5
Balazs
2014.04.28. 19:12, "Salvador A" <salvador1983(a)gmail.com> ezt írta:
> If a topic merge regularly only means that is an overwhelming worry that
> must be solved.
>
> I don't see Chris' proposal as "reinventing the wheel" but as a
new
attempt
> to give answers to an inconclude question. If
past attempts have failed
> that doesn't mean that this one must do it either. Non sequitur. Even
if
it
> fails it can be the basis or inspiration for a
future success. Remember
one
> of our principles: Be bold!
>
> The members of AffComm are willing to support any initiative related to
> development of affiliates. Please Chris, feel comfortable asking us
> whatever you need. One of our members will follow up your efforts.
Finally,
> we encourage the community to participate.
>
>
> 2014-04-28 11:30 GMT-05:00 Balázs Viczián <balazs.viczian(a)wikimedia.hu>hu>:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > pls correct me if I'm wrong, but WCA was aimed to do this (and already
> > collected some materials) but ultimately failed due to the fact that
from
> > this basic idea it was quickly developed
into an "uber-chapter"-like
> thing,
> > not to mention the other problems.
> >
> > Anyways, I would highly recommend to stop reinventing the wheel every
> year
> > as there are at least 2 or more similar (or like-minded) initiatives
from
> > the past years. Plus those that I'm not
aware of.
> >
> > Rather collect and merge them into a single proposition as there are
> plenty
> > to learn from their failure than starting again (what you just did
btw)
> >
> > Imo.
> >
> > Cheers, Balazs
> > 2014.04.28. 8:30, "Lodewijk" <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org> ezt
írta:
> >
> > > Thanks Philippe for the pointer. Sounds like an interesting angle,
she
> > has
> > > been hired very recently it seems? I'm looking forward to the
slightly
> > more
> > > details description on the user page that is apparently forthcoming
:)
> >
> > Lodewijk
> >
> >
> > 2014-04-28 4:39 GMT+02:00 Philippe Beaudette <philippe(a)wikimedia.org
:
> > >
> > > > Hi Chris,
> > > >
> > > > Have you approached Anna Stillwell -
> > > >
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:AStillwell_(WMF) - about
> > this?
> > > > She seems a natural person to include in your discussions and
> > thinking.
> > > > Having worked with her some, I think she'll have some real
insights
> > for
> > > > you. :-)
> > > >
> > > > pb
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\
Wikimedia
> > > > Foundation, Inc.
> > > > T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | philippe(a)wikimedia.org | :
> > > > @Philippewiki<https://twitter.com/Philippewiki>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Chris Keating
> > > > <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I've started a page on Meta which I hope will act as a hub
for
> > > > > documentation and ideas around the training and development
needs
> of
> > > > > Wikimedia movement organisations:
> > > > >
> > > > >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organisational_development
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd ask anyone who's interested in this kind of thing to
have a
> look
> > > and
> > > > > add examples and thoughts for the future.
> > > > >
> > > > > As many people will know from my contributions to this
year's
and
> > last
> > > > > year's Wikimedia conference, or from the training workshop
we
held
> in
> > > > > London in early March, this is an issue where I feel the
movement
> > (or,
> > > at
> > > > > least, the part of the movement that is involved in movement
> > > > > organisations!) can and should do better.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was interested to read the Signpost coverage of the Wikimedia
> > > > > Conference(1) which evidently comes from a similar point of
view!
> > > > >
> > > > > We are slightly hampered by the fact that there is no single
body
> > > > > responsible for doing this
kind of training and development
work,
> so
> > I
> > > > > would invite everyone with a stake in this (WMF, FDC, AffCom,
> > Chapters,
> > > > > Thorgs, User Groups, interested individuals) to treat this as
> > something
> > > > > where everyone can play a role in sharing experience, scoping
out
> the
> > > way
> > > > > forward, and building a better way of doing this for the
future!
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > (1)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-04-23/Speci…
> > > > >
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