My 2 cents here is to lower the level of such ignorance as much as
possible
and build them in into this proposal; at least by pointing out what to avoid based on their failures (not to mention to learn what could work as showed popular) to speed up the process
Yes, that would be a good idea. The only case I'm particularly familiar with is the WCA, which was a good idea that didn't work out.
The WCA did some useful work in this area - particularly promoting the concept of peer review and shared learning. I have linked to all the WCA outcomes that I'm aware of in this area, if I have missed them please point them out!
The main lesson I draw from the WCA's experience though is that a) trying to set up a structure that solves many problems is not something we are ready to do; and b) that it is better to treat this as an issue that the WMF should engage in than something that it shouldn't.
Chris5
Balazs 2014.04.28. 19:12, "Salvador A" salvador1983@gmail.com ezt írta:
If a topic merge regularly only means that is an overwhelming worry that must be solved.
I don't see Chris' proposal as "reinventing the wheel" but as a new
attempt
to give answers to an inconclude question. If past attempts have failed that doesn't mean that this one must do it either. Non sequitur. Even
if it
fails it can be the basis or inspiration for a future success. Remember
one
of our principles: Be bold!
The members of AffComm are willing to support any initiative related to development of affiliates. Please Chris, feel comfortable asking us whatever you need. One of our members will follow up your efforts.
Finally,
we encourage the community to participate.
2014-04-28 11:30 GMT-05:00 Balázs Viczián balazs.viczian@wikimedia.hu:
Hi all,
pls correct me if I'm wrong, but WCA was aimed to do this (and already collected some materials) but ultimately failed due to the fact that
from
this basic idea it was quickly developed into an "uber-chapter"-like
thing,
not to mention the other problems.
Anyways, I would highly recommend to stop reinventing the wheel every
year
as there are at least 2 or more similar (or like-minded) initiatives
from
the past years. Plus those that I'm not aware of.
Rather collect and merge them into a single proposition as there are
plenty
to learn from their failure than starting again (what you just did
btw)
Imo.
Cheers, Balazs 2014.04.28. 8:30, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org ezt írta:
Thanks Philippe for the pointer. Sounds like an interesting angle,
she
has
been hired very recently it seems? I'm looking forward to the
slightly
more
details description on the user page that is apparently forthcoming
:)
Lodewijk
2014-04-28 4:39 GMT+02:00 Philippe Beaudette <philippe@wikimedia.org
:
Hi Chris,
Have you approached Anna Stillwell - https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:AStillwell_(WMF) - about
this?
She seems a natural person to include in your discussions and
thinking.
Having worked with her some, I think she'll have some real
insights
for
you. :-)
pb
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On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.comwrote:
Hi all,
I've started a page on Meta which I hope will act as a hub for documentation and ideas around the training and development
needs
of
Wikimedia movement organisations:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organisational_development
I'd ask anyone who's interested in this kind of thing to have a
look
and
add examples and thoughts for the future.
As many people will know from my contributions to this year's
and
last
year's Wikimedia conference, or from the training workshop we
held
in
London in early March, this is an issue where I feel the
movement
(or,
at
least, the part of the movement that is involved in movement organisations!) can and should do better.
I was interested to read the Signpost coverage of the Wikimedia Conference(1) which evidently comes from a similar point of
view!
We are slightly hampered by the fact that there is no single
body
responsible for doing this kind of training and development
work,
so
I
would invite everyone with a stake in this (WMF, FDC, AffCom,
Chapters,
Thorgs, User Groups, interested individuals) to treat this as
something
where everyone can play a role in sharing experience, scoping
out
the
way
forward, and building a better way of doing this for the future!
Regards,
Chris
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