Szia Balazs,
I don't think that the the topics (such as organizational development) that led to the idea of WCA are the reason that it failed. In fact this current initiative is an attempt to carry on what has been started in the context of WCA but in a more lose, flexible manner (a learning from the WCA history) and to incorporate what has been done up to that point. It's not detached from what has been done before. The positive feedback on the pilot workshop in London encouraged us to carry on and to refine the concept. To put it on a broader basis and to approach the issue more systematically we are currently planning a survey with Anasuyas team in order to assess the needs for capacity building in the various organizations. We asked Bence for advice and to incorporate AffComm know how.
I'm happy that Chris and other dedicated volunteers going through all the effort to collect information on what has been done so far and to drive this forward. With joint forces we can generate a lot of positive impact for the movement.
Best Claudia
Am 28.04.2014 19:12, schrieb Salvador A:
If a topic merge regularly only means that is an overwhelming worry that must be solved.
I don't see Chris' proposal as "reinventing the wheel" but as a new attempt to give answers to an inconclude question. If past attempts have failed that doesn't mean that this one must do it either. Non sequitur. Even if it fails it can be the basis or inspiration for a future success. Remember one of our principles: Be bold!
The members of AffComm are willing to support any initiative related to development of affiliates. Please Chris, feel comfortable asking us whatever you need. One of our members will follow up your efforts. Finally, we encourage the community to participate.
2014-04-28 11:30 GMT-05:00 Balázs Viczián balazs.viczian@wikimedia.hu:
Hi all,
pls correct me if I'm wrong, but WCA was aimed to do this (and already collected some materials) but ultimately failed due to the fact that from this basic idea it was quickly developed into an "uber-chapter"-like thing, not to mention the other problems.
Anyways, I would highly recommend to stop reinventing the wheel every year as there are at least 2 or more similar (or like-minded) initiatives from the past years. Plus those that I'm not aware of.
Rather collect and merge them into a single proposition as there are plenty to learn from their failure than starting again (what you just did btw)
Imo.
Cheers, Balazs 2014.04.28. 8:30, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org ezt írta:
Thanks Philippe for the pointer. Sounds like an interesting angle, she
has
been hired very recently it seems? I'm looking forward to the slightly
more
details description on the user page that is apparently forthcoming :)
Lodewijk
2014-04-28 4:39 GMT+02:00 Philippe Beaudette philippe@wikimedia.org:
Hi Chris,
Have you approached Anna Stillwell - https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:AStillwell_(WMF) - about
this?
She seems a natural person to include in your discussions and
thinking.
Having worked with her some, I think she'll have some real insights
for
you. :-)
pb
*Philippe Beaudette * \ Director, Community Advocacy \ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | philippe@wikimedia.org | : @Philippewikihttps://twitter.com/Philippewiki
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.comwrote:
Hi all,
I've started a page on Meta which I hope will act as a hub for documentation and ideas around the training and development needs of Wikimedia movement organisations:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organisational_development
I'd ask anyone who's interested in this kind of thing to have a look
and
add examples and thoughts for the future.
As many people will know from my contributions to this year's and
last
year's Wikimedia conference, or from the training workshop we held in London in early March, this is an issue where I feel the movement
(or,
at
least, the part of the movement that is involved in movement organisations!) can and should do better.
I was interested to read the Signpost coverage of the Wikimedia Conference(1) which evidently comes from a similar point of view!
We are slightly hampered by the fact that there is no single body responsible for doing this kind of training and development work, so
I
would invite everyone with a stake in this (WMF, FDC, AffCom,
Chapters,
Thorgs, User Groups, interested individuals) to treat this as
something
where everyone can play a role in sharing experience, scoping out the
way
forward, and building a better way of doing this for the future!
Regards,
Chris
(1)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-04-23/Specia...
Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe