Imo the lines were said by a member of a board of a chapter in her official capacity as she was attending a board training paid fully by the "global community" (unless she paid everything on her own and never got reimbursed for anything)
If you keep up with this approach (which will for sure culminate in actions clearly ignoring/"fucking" the community) in one day you will reach the point when the community will say "so, then fuck you too".
Obviously not today, neither tomorrow, but when it comes, that day will be the last day, when you were able to "buy free stuff" or travel around the world for "free" or in short: have money. Until that day comes it is true that this is not an issue, you can get away with it, 'nuff said.
The main issue here are her solution(s) to problem solving/fulfilling the "mission". Even worse that a handful of people supports it in this thread, namely a) spending money or b) spending more money. This is very poor/lazy thinking.
Those having these two only in mind (or as primary solutions), should leave their chapter positions for more creative people.
Cheers,
Vince
PS: this thread strenghtens my impression [1] that some chapters are rather breakaway groups than (integral) parts of their local community.
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AFuture_of_the_Wikimedia_C...
2014.04.08. 12:21, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com ezt írta:
Hoi, One reason is that the license of Wikidata is questioned by members of the Wikidata community. Thanks, GerardM
On 8 April 2014 11:27, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoekstra@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.comwrote:
Hoi, From where I stand ie Wikidata, the license we use is CC-0. When a GLAM wants to share data it has to be CC-0. When it is CC-by or CC-by-sa, we cannot use it. We do not retrieve it from their database we will find
the
same data from elsewhere where there is no such burden.
When people use CC-by-sa data in for instance Wikipedia, we do harvest
that
information because once it is embedded in Wikipedia, it is no longer
part
of the original database that prohibits us from using it based on the database rights. At that point it is part of a completely different set
of
information. It is retrieved one factoid at a time and the origin of
the
data is no longer an issue. Thanks, GerardM
Why are we talking about the license of Wikidata in this thread?
Come to think of it, why are we still talking at all in this thread?
On 8 April 2014 10:40, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Gerard, I think you mean "There are organisations that want to share CC-0 information with us under a CC-0 license and there are those who want to share CC-0 information under a CC-by license." We are fine with organizations sharing CC-by information under a CC-by license, no?
O and I agree completely on the Wikidata thing.
Jane PS: I also agree that the person who said these words is, in fact a member of the community like the rest of us and therefore has every right to use those words in a meeting during which community issues are being discussed. I have heard worse in discussions by members of one part of the community (Commons people) talking about other
members
of the community (Dutch Wikipedians) and the other way around. Maybe it's a cultural thing and we swear a lot in our internal meetups in the Netherlands, dunno about that, but I never felt offended when I heard these statements and in context have agreed with both parties.
2014-04-08 8:22 GMT+02:00, Gerard Meijssen <
gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
:
Hoi, Take one step back. What our aim is, is to share in the sum of all knowledge. Arguably, this is the main and overriding objective of
what
we
do. There are many strategies to get to the point where we share information. From where I stand, with Wikidata we have the
opportunity
to
do better than with an only Wikipedia strategy: with Wikipedia we
share
the
sum of knowledge that is available in one Wikipedia and with
Wikidata
we
share in the sum of all the knowledge that is available to us.
Wikidata provides access to more information than any Wikipedia by
a
large
margin.
There are those in our communities who aim to restrict the
practices
that
realise Wikidata as the resource of information that is available
to
us.
To
say it in a political correct way, they can be and should be
ignored.
There
are organisations that want to share information with us under a
CC-0
license and there are those who want to share information under a
CC-by
license. The later can and should be ignored as well.
However, when I am to argue these points in a private setting, I
will
say
that they can screw themselves. It is to make the point forcefully,
it
is
to hammer on the fact that our objective is not the community but
the
sharing of knowledge. Yes, the community is important but that is
the
extend of it. When we can gain authoritative information provided
by
a
GLAM, we should not consider the fact that we can enter all that information by hand. Those who want to add statements by hand can
do
so
but
they should not force their behaviour and attitudes on others. Thanks, GerardM
On 8 April 2014 00:45, Hubert Laska hubert.laska@gmx.at wrote:
With all due respect, Gerard, not the bearer ofthe message, Tomas,
is
the
problem, the problem arises where there are people who can make
decisions
with far-reaching consequences - and be selected for it - but then
assume
one for me unacceptable position against that group whose services
are
the
basis for their own position.
Fuck the Community, who cares, was not the only thing, much worse
for
me
is the meaning, that free knowledge is easier to buy than to get
by
edits
and edits.
Of whose money? By those who make one edit after the other? Taking
photos,
one after another and upload them?
I know Steffen good enough and I know, that he is able to tell
apart
explanations which happens within an special group dynamic
process.
If
this has occured, he would not have written this in his blog.
h Am 07.04.2014 12:52, schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
Hoi, > What is it that you intend to do. Hang them and, hang them high?? > > You already know that it was in a very emotional moment ... > > What is your objective? What do you expect as a result and how
will
that
> be > in everyone's benefit?? > Thanks, > Gerard > > > On 7 April 2014 12:16, Tomasz W. Kozlowski <
tomasz@twkozlowski.net
> wrote: > > Ziko van Dijk wrote >> >> >> I think that a single quote by a unnamed "female Wikimedian",
said
in
>> >>> public or in private, is a very small basis for any
substantiate
>>> criticism... >>> >>> Thanks to Chris e-mail's, we now know that the comment was
made
during
>> a >> public session (though I can't find the relevant section in the
minutes
>> on >> Meta). >> >> That the identity of the person is currently unknown is due to
the
fact
>> that it has not been revealed by other participants in that
workshop;
>> I'm >> sure Chris, and Steffen, and other people know very well who
that
person
>> is. >> >> I'm used to the secrecy, but I find it deeply disturbing that
such a
>> comment could have been made during a public workshop "in
passing";
>> however, it would fit perfectly in the alleged divisions between
some
>> chapters and their respective communities. >> >> Where the idea that a single entity (here: a chapter) knows
better
>> what's >> best for a community than the community does itself come from,
I'm
not
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