Hoi,
Take one step back. What our aim is, is to share in the sum of all
knowledge. Arguably, this is the main and overriding objective of what we
do. There are many strategies to get to the point where we share
information. From where I stand, with Wikidata we have the opportunity to
do better than with an only Wikipedia strategy: with Wikipedia we share the
sum of knowledge that is available in one Wikipedia and with Wikidata we
share in the sum of all the knowledge that is available to us.
Wikidata provides access to more information than any Wikipedia by a large
margin.
There are those in our communities who aim to restrict the practices that
realise Wikidata as the resource of information that is available to us. To
say it in a political correct way, they can be and should be ignored. There
are organisations that want to share information with us under a CC-0
license and there are those who want to share information under a CC-by
license. The later can and should be ignored as well.
However, when I am to argue these points in a private setting, I will say
that they can screw themselves. It is to make the point forcefully, it is
to hammer on the fact that our objective is not the community but the
sharing of knowledge. Yes, the community is important but that is the
extend of it. When we can gain authoritative information provided by a
GLAM, we should not consider the fact that we can enter all that
information by hand. Those who want to add statements by hand can do so but
they should not force their behaviour and attitudes on others.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 8 April 2014 00:45, Hubert Laska <hubert.laska(a)gmx.at> wrote:
With all due respect, Gerard, not the bearer ofthe
message, Tomas, is the
problem, the problem arises where there are people who can make decisions
with far-reaching consequences - and be selected for it - but then assume
one for me unacceptable position against that group whose services are the
basis for their own position.
Fuck the Community, who cares, was not the only thing, much worse for me
is the meaning, that free knowledge is easier to buy than to get by edits
and edits.
Of whose money? By those who make one edit after the other? Taking photos,
one after another and upload them?
I know Steffen good enough and I know, that he is able to tell apart
explanations which happens within an special group dynamic process. If this
has occured, he would not have written this in his blog.
h
Am 07.04.2014 12:52, schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
Hoi,
What is it that you intend to do. Hang them and,
hang them high??
You already know that it was in a very emotional moment ...
What is your objective? What do you expect as a result and how will that
be
in everyone's benefit??
Thanks,
Gerard
On 7 April 2014 12:16, Tomasz W. Kozlowski <tomasz(a)twkozlowski.net>
wrote:
Ziko van Dijk wrote
I think that a single quote by a unnamed "female Wikimedian", said in
public or in private, is a very small basis for
any substantiate
criticism...
Thanks to Chris e-mail's, we now know that the comment was made during
a
public session (though I can't find the relevant section in the minutes
on
Meta).
That the identity of the person is currently unknown is due to the fact
that it has not been revealed by other participants in that workshop; I'm
sure Chris, and Steffen, and other people know very well who that person
is.
I'm used to the secrecy, but I find it deeply disturbing that such a
comment could have been made during a public workshop "in passing";
however, it would fit perfectly in the alleged divisions between some
chapters and their respective communities.
Where the idea that a single entity (here: a chapter) knows better what's
best for a community than the community does itself come from, I'm not
sure.
Tomasz
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