I appreciate your clarification, Nicole - thanks.
There is a certain irony in the fact that those who are making the argument
that there should be some rethinking of the future of the WMCON are all (as
best I can tell) people who will not be present. I hope that those who are
present will be able to adequately voice ideas other than the status quo.
Risker/Anne
On 2 April 2014 17:17, Nicole Ebber <nicole.ebber(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:
Right, sorry, what I meant was that these arguments
can be collected
for the preparation of the "Future of the WMCON" session at WMCON
itself, not for changing the current setting.
Nicole
On 2 April 2014 23:14, Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
While I don't think this discussion should
change the process or the
attendance for this specific conference, particularly as it is just
around
the corner, it would be useful to take some of
these points into
consideration for future planning.
Risker/Anne
On 2 April 2014 17:08, Nicole Ebber <nicole.ebber(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:
> Itzik, I am sorry that I did not reply to this earlier. I am just kind
> of baffled that we are having this discussion now, months after all
> these questions where asked (see Future of the Wikimedia Conference)
> and all the information about the scope and the slight loosening of
> the attendee ratio have been put up on Meta. Following that, there
> have been discussions about which groups to invite (recognised,
> non-recognised), but not a single one about the number of attendees -
> although it has always been asked for input.
>
> Our main drive behind opening up was that we felt the 2(+1) rule is
> kind of outdated, and it makes sense to have people sent those
> representatives who they really believe need to be there. Either as a
> contributing or a profiting attendee, but of course focussing on the
> topics that are covered in the conference themes. This is also why my
> colleagues from the event team only opened the registration _after_
> the rough outline of the programme has been published by the programme
> team.
>
> As for the broader topic about the purpose, scope and future of the
> WMCON, I think it does make sense to discuss this on-list (or better
> wiki) before the event. An exchange of arguments and possible
> solutions is welcome, those can be used to prepare for the session at
> WMCON. I am definitely glad that we now have this discussion and I
> like to hear more of people's thoughts.
>
> As for the broader, broader topic that for example Risker mentions
> above, I hope that the Chapters Dialogue will be able to provide
> insights and food for thought. The presentation at the WMCON and the
> extensive documentation that will be provided on-wiki afterwards, can
> help foster these discussions on those movement related issues.
>
> Again, I am glad that the pre-conference has now been initiated and
> that we can use the following days to get in the right mood for the
> conference weekend.
>
> Thanks and best regards,
> Nicole
>
>
>
> On 2 April 2014 22:18, Itzik Edri <itzik(a)infra.co.il> wrote:
> > What the purpose of this discussion? The program committee already
> > scheduled a session about the future of the WMCON. And as we are a
week
> > before, and I believe it's too late
to cancel flights and hotels
booking,
> > nothing will probably going to be
changed, even if there will be
> consensus
> > about the purpose of the conference.
> >
> > And while it seem like the discussion is about WMUK's attendees only
- I
> > must say I don't think this is the
case. They are maybe the biggest
> > delegations (we may starts to change the term this year from
> > "representatives" to "delegation", which fit the case
better), but not
> the
> > only ones. There are other chapters who sends more than the others.
> >
> > The silence and the ignorance of the organizer team regarding their
> > decision on that is something which worries me more, I think.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Chris Keating <
> chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com>wroteote:
> >
> >> Great! We are starting to have the conversation we need to have!
> >>
> >> So: What is the purpose of the Wikimedia Conference?
> >>
> >> This has never been clearly defined, in my view.
> >>
> >> I certainly found attending last year useful as it was a chance to
get
> to
> >> know face-to-face people I only knew over email, to share some useful
> >> experience of Wikimedia UK's with other chapters, and to get an
> insight
> >> into how others were thinking, and have some meetings which needed
to
be
> >> done face-to-face.
> >>
> >> In general those are very useful things. But is that what the
> conference is
> >> for?
> >>
> >> Chris
> >> On 2 Apr 2014 17:17, "Cristian Consonni"
<kikkocristian(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > (my 2cents here, not speaking in any capacity besides my personal
free
> >> > will)
> >> >
> >> > 2014-04-02 14:32 GMT+02:00 Jens Best <jens.best(a)wikimedia.de>de>:
> >> > > Have a nice time in Berlin, maybe I will drop by on some of the
> evening
> >> > > events at least. :)
> >> >
> >> > May I say? Please come by also at the conference.
> >> > I understand the point of having a rule (which we can decide if it
is
> >> > a strict rule or whatever) of
2+1 representatives because it helps
to
> >> > limit costs and it also assures
that there isn't
over-representation
> >> > of an entities over some others
(which are both good arguments,
btw)
> >> > but thinking of having a closed
event were you can not come along
if
> >> > you are interested to do so and
you happen to live nearby seems
Deeply
> >> > Wrong(TM) to me.
> >> > For comparison all General Assemblies of Wikimedia Italia are
public,
> >> > everyone can come along and
speak, of course when it comes to
voting
> >> > (e.g. board elections) only
members have the right to vote. We
always
> >> > have some bystanders (this
includes the occasional "I am painter,
why
> >> > I don't have my Wikipedia
page?") and, to date, our assemblies
have
> >> > never being flooded by
strangers :-). Moreover, for the sake of
"bias"
> >> > and over-representation I think
that this will not be of much more
> >> > impact than the fact of chosing to hold the event itself in Berlin.
> >> >
> >> > Cristian
> >> >
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