Sorry Nicole, but I'm unhappy with your answer. You are right, engagement
on other topics is needed, but this is not means people don't have the
right to ask questions and raise concerns.
We didn't have this discussions last year, as none of the chapter sent more
then 2+1. There were few people who came before to the Education Meeting,
but the left and didn't attend the ChapConf. I think we deserve to know why
this has been changed, and why no one notify or discussed about it before.
I was member of the location committee, and I'm definitely remember we
asked all the proposals to calculates the event costs by this "rule" of
number of representatives from each org. More than that, when we decided to
select Berlin, we even mentioned the fact that last years WMDE's staff and
board was widely around, "breaking" the equality we are looking for, and
asking to minimize WMDE's attendees to only what needed to run the
conference.
WMDE did a great step toward open discussions about the goals and the
program of the conference, so I find it strange they didn't welcome, or
willing to response such a crucial question that changed the status quo we
been used to since the beginning so secretly.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Nicole Ebber <nicole.ebber(a)wikimedia.de>wrote;wrote:
I am glad that 1,5 weeks before the conference, there
is finally some
activity showing up on the lists and the meta pages. I must admit that
I would have really loved to see more engagement on topics like
conference goals and themes, support for the programme team regarding
programme decisions, schedule and outcomes rather than having the same
discussions on rules and logistics like every year before.
There is still time (2 days) to give input to the schedule or
volunteer as a speaker for some of the sessions. And most importantly,
to start discussing and taking position towards the conference topics
on-wiki and internally in our home organisations.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014/Programme
Everyone interested is very welcome to provide thoughts and ideas. We
have three days full of exciting sessions, highly political
discussions and fun ahead of us, let's make the best of it together!
I am looking forward to seeing so many of you next week in Berlin!
Best,
Nicole
On 1 April 2014 10:47, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi,
Money entrusted to a chapter is for that chapter to spend as they see
fit.
The notion that it is money from the
"public" is not a license for
everyone
to meddle. There are people and places where such
scrutiny is best
expressed. When questions are asked, let them be questions and not
implicit
condemnations.
Fae can do whatever he likes. However, he should understand that as a
former chair it is best for the new team to move in its own direction and
not in the old direction. There is plenty that can be done that is not
controversial.
When formalities are used as arguments, you loose sight what the
formalities are there for. It is best to "ignore all rules" when that
gets
the job done in an effective way. The notion that
because somewhere else
in
"the movement" things have gone
"wrong" does not justify the current
criticism. A legitimate question could be "you are sending a large
delegation, why is that". It is not legitimate to say "you waste money by
sending people to a conference, why is that".
Thanks,
GerardM
Op 31 mrt. 2014 16:44 schreef "Russavia" <russavia.wikipedia(a)gmail.com>om>:
> Gerard, et al
>
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
>
> >
> > My point is very much that it is for the chapter to decide if they
> > spend their money wisely. It is for members of a chapter to question
this
> > at an appropriate time and at an
appropriate place.
>
>
> Might I make a point here.
>
> It is not "their money", but rather the money of donors -- i.e. the
general
> public -- who are every year told that
Wikipedia needs your help to
> survive.
>
> The "movement", as you all like to refer to it, has a tendency to waste
> money on frivolous things such as travel and accommodation, as
demonstrated
> last year by
>
http://twkozlowski.net/how-40k-dollars-turned-to-petty-cash/and
>
http://twkozlowski.net/saving-by-spending-according-to-affcom/
>
> The appropriate time to question such spending is BEFORE the funds is
> committed and spent. The place is unimportant, but here is as good as
any.
>
> As a member of "the movement", Fae has every right to ask such
questions,
> and I believe he also has the right to be
able to ask such questions
> without snide remarks such as "Really Fae, as you are no longer the
chair,
> why rule "from the grave"?"
being thrown at him . Unfortunately, there
is a
> tendency in "the movement" when
legitimate questions are raised, for a
> committed movementarian to deflect from that questioning with snide
> attacks.
>
> Now, Fae has asked some legit questions of UK chapter, and it is only
fair
that they
answer them.
Cheers,
Russavia
_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-l mailing list
Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
<mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-l mailing list
Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
<mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
--
Nicole Ebber
Leiterin Internationales
Head of International Affairs
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin
Tel. +49 30 219158 26-0
http://wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-l mailing list
Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
<mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>