Someone has changed the $wgCapitalLinks setting on en.wiktionary.org, causing many thousands of links to break without warning -- far too many for humans to fix up in a reasonable amount of time.
I'm really, really, really annoyed about this, and I'd appreciate it if whoever made this premature change would at least confess to the deed.
Right now I'm working on an automated script to fix up the links. This change should *not* have been made before this script was reaady.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber wrote:
Right now I'm working on an automated script to fix up the links. This change should *not* have been made before this script was reaady.
Ok, I've run this: all uppercase pages in the main entry namespace have been renamed to lowercase.
There's still some cleanup work to do -- obviously not all of that _should_ be lowercase (though most of it should!). I'll want a list of prefixes and such for any additional mass corrections that need doing.
Also, I'm running a links refresh in the background to fix up the links tables. Whatlinkshere and similar may give bogus results temporarily.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
On 30/06/05, Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote:
Someone has changed the $wgCapitalLinks setting on en.wiktionary.org, causing many thousands of links to break without warning -- far too many for humans to fix up in a reasonable amount of time.
I'm really, really, really annoyed about this, and I'd appreciate it if whoever made this premature change would at least confess to the deed.
I'm really, really sorry about this: I'm sure somebody announced it in the IRC channel and thus knew who was responsible - but I've forgotten who it was.
Weren't you there?
Tomer Chachamu wrote:
On 30/06/05, Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote:
Someone has changed the $wgCapitalLinks setting on en.wiktionary.org, causing many thousands of links to break without warning -- far too many for humans to fix up in a reasonable amount of time.
I'm really, really, really annoyed about this, and I'd appreciate it if whoever made this premature change would at least confess to the deed.
I'm really, really sorry about this: I'm sure somebody announced it in the IRC channel and thus knew who was responsible - but I've forgotten who it was.
It was Tim. He didn't announce the change (that I noticed, anyway) and forgot to log it in the administrator's log, then happened to be away from the computer for the next several hours.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber wrote:
Tomer Chachamu wrote:
On 30/06/05, Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote:
Someone has changed the $wgCapitalLinks setting on en.wiktionary.org, causing many thousands of links to break without warning -- far too many for humans to fix up in a reasonable amount of time.
I'm really, really, really annoyed about this, and I'd appreciate it if whoever made this premature change would at least confess to the deed.
I'm really, really sorry about this: I'm sure somebody announced it in the IRC channel and thus knew who was responsible - but I've forgotten who it was.
It was Tim. He didn't announce the change (that I noticed, anyway) and forgot to log it in the administrator's log, then happened to be away from the computer for the next several hours.
There has been a vote with a very positive outcome and somebody apparently said something about it on irc. The English Wiktionary had indeed decided to switch over, but it had not been decided when. Anyway, on the page where the vote had happened this was indicated and there was a link to a page where a discussion was held how to go about it. If Tim had read all that, he would have known we were not ready for the change. Anyway, I for one, am glad the change has finally happened and I'm sure we'll manage to clean up the mess, eventually.
Polyglot
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It was Tim. He didn't announce the change (that I noticed, anyway) and forgot to log it in the administrator's log, then happened to be away from the computer for the next several hours.
There has been a vote with a very positive outcome and somebody apparently said something about it on irc. The English Wiktionary had indeed decided to switch over, but it had not been decided when. Anyway, on the page where the vote had happened this was indicated and there was a link to a page where a discussion was held how to go about it. If Tim had read all that, he would have known we were not ready for the change. Anyway, I for one, am glad the change has finally happened and I'm sure we'll manage to clean up the mess, eventually.
As much as I remember the switch over should have been done on April 1st (no, not a joke), but then, even if it was decided no-one really moved.
I am already cleaning the links on it.wiktionary to en.wiktionary since someone (withour logging in) added manually some interwiki-links using capitalised words and besides that creating messed up pages using {{PAGENAME}} instead of re-writing the word in the title - so basically all double work. Should whoever added these pages read this message: please never use the pagename-template again like you did - if you don't know how to create a proper page, just contact me (also by e-mail is fine)..
Ciao, Sabine
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Polyglot is yet again misrepresenting the so-called vote. I really don't want to go through it again but anybody who wants to know the true sentiments felt by *all* the contributors to the en.wiktionary must read the relevant sections of the "voting" page, the Beer parlour, etc. It has a long history which Polyglot and a couple of others are very happy to gloss over because the change is what they want and it is convenient for them to make absolutely zero mention of the multiple heated debates.
I logged onto IRC shortly before I had to start work when I discovered the mess and used some very frank language with whatever devs I could find there.
When the anger died down a little I was told that in fact the scheme I've hoped for all along, full case folding, is planned for the long run. What this means is that we will be running around splitting all the articles in two now, making plenty of mess; then after that change, running around merging them back together in a different way!
I've got a life to get on with tonight so I'm not hanging around to bicker about things. I sure hope it all settles down someday though and we can actually know what is happening, what will happen in the future, and be able to plan for what the devs have in store.
Hippietrail.
On 6/30/05, Sabine Cretella sabine_cretella@yahoo.it wrote:
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It was Tim. He didn't announce the change (that I noticed, anyway) and forgot to log it in the administrator's log, then happened to be away from the computer for the next several hours.
There has been a vote with a very positive outcome and somebody apparently said something about it on irc. The English Wiktionary had indeed decided to switch over, but it had not been decided when. Anyway, on the page where the vote had happened this was indicated and there was a link to a page where a discussion was held how to go about it. If Tim had read all that, he would have known we were not ready for the change. Anyway, I for one, am glad the change has finally happened and I'm sure we'll manage to clean up the mess, eventually.
As much as I remember the switch over should have been done on April 1st (no, not a joke), but then, even if it was decided no-one really moved.
I am already cleaning the links on it.wiktionary to en.wiktionary since someone (withour logging in) added manually some interwiki-links using capitalised words and besides that creating messed up pages using {{PAGENAME}} instead of re-writing the word in the title - so basically all double work. Should whoever added these pages read this message: please never use the pagename-template again like you did - if you don't know how to create a proper page, just contact me (also by e-mail is fine)..
Ciao, Sabine
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Andrew Dunbar wrote:
Polyglot is yet again misrepresenting the so-called vote.
No, he's only cutting it down to the things that are relevant to this (technical) mailing list.
Stop making such a big fuss about it, Hippietrail; it is people like you that made this change so unbearably long.
Finally I can add words under their actual spelling!
Timwi
Andrew Dunbar wrote:
Polyglot is yet again misrepresenting the so-called vote. I really don't want to go through it again but anybody who wants to know the true sentiments felt by *all* the contributors to the en.wiktionary must read the relevant sections of the "voting" page, the Beer parlour, etc. It has a long history which Polyglot and a couple of others are very happy to gloss over because the change is what they want and it is convenient for them to make absolutely zero mention of the multiple heated debates.
I don't think anyone is trying to gloss things over, or ignoring the debate and votes. There were two votes. The first went slightly against the change, but the second was strongly in favour. You were notably alone against the change in the second vote until you managed to change a few minds after the fact.. When things didn't go your way you went ahead with a lot of spurious claims about the legitimacy of the vote. It's all a matter of public record.
When the anger died down a little I was told that in fact the scheme I've hoped for all along, full case folding, is planned for the long run.
Whatever you mean by "{full case folding" it was not a part of the discussion. If I'm wrong please show where this concept was discussed.
What this means is that we will be running around splitting all the articles in two now, making plenty of mess; then after that change, running around merging them back together in a different way!
Speculative.
Ec
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