On 30/06/05, Brion Vibber <brion(a)pobox.com> wrote: I'm really, really sorry about this: I'm sure somebody announced it in the IRC channel and thus knew who was responsible - but I've forgotten who it was. Weren't you there?

Brion Vibber wrote: There has been a vote with a very positive outcome and somebody apparently said something about it on irc. The English Wiktionary had indeed decided to switch over, but it had not been decided when. Anyway, on the page where the vote had happened this was indicated and there was a link to a page where a discussion was held how to go about it. If Tim had read all that, he would have known we were not ready for the change. Anyway, I for one, am glad the change has finally happened and I'm sure we'll manage to clean up the mess, eventually. Polyglot

Polyglot is yet again misrepresenting the so-called vote. I really don't want to go through it again but anybody who wants to know the true sentiments felt by *all* the contributors to the en.wiktionary must read the relevant sections of the "voting" page, the Beer parlour, etc. It has a long history which Polyglot and a couple of others are very happy to gloss over because the change is what they want and it is convenient for them to make absolutely zero mention of the multiple heated debates. I logged onto IRC shortly before I had to start work when I discovered the mess and used some very frank language with whatever devs I could find there. When the anger died down a little I was told that in fact the scheme I've hoped for all along, full case folding, is planned for the long run. What this means is that we will be running around splitting all the articles in two now, making plenty of mess; then after that change, running around merging them back together in a different way! I've got a life to get on with tonight so I'm not hanging around to bicker about things. I sure hope it all settles down someday though and we can actually know what is happening, what will happen in the future, and be able to plan for what the devs have in store. Hippietrail. On 6/30/05, Sabine Cretella <sabine_cretella(a)yahoo.it> wrote: -- http://linguaphile.sf.net

Andrew Dunbar wrote: I don't think anyone is trying to gloss things over, or ignoring the debate and votes. There were two votes. The first went slightly against the change, but the second was strongly in favour. You were notably alone against the change in the second vote until you managed to change a few minds after the fact.. When things didn't go your way you went ahead with a lot of spurious claims about the legitimacy of the vote. It's all a matter of public record. Whatever you mean by "{full case folding" it was not a part of the discussion. If I'm wrong please show where this concept was discussed. Speculative. Ec