I spoke about a possible change rather than the current behaviour.
But I understand.
2017-07-25 15:07 GMT+02:00 John <phoenixoverride(a)gmail.com>om>:
Bináris the root issue is that mediawiki doesnt see
Null edits as an edit,
it sees them more as a purge with forcelinkupdate=True. The logs that
contain that information are not in mediawiki, but rather the webserver
logs. Exposing those logs is a privacy issue. Second if there are
performance issues the Ops staff have access to those logs and will use
them to troubleshoot. No one on wiki can do anything about Null Bots, nor
should it be something they worry about.
On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Bináris <wikiposta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2017-07-25 14:35 GMT+02:00 Dan Garry
<dgarry(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:
> By definition, a null edit does not perform any change at all, and is
> therefore not recorded publicly since there's technically nothing to
> record. I suspect the only way you could find this kind of information
is
in the
server logs, and access to those is very tightly restricted for
privacy reasons.
I understand, but I think it would be worth to discuss this *therefore.*
Nulledits are not subjects of privacy protection, they are now in
protected
logs only accidentally or for historical reasons.
If there is an action
noticed by the server (definitely there is, because it has an effect on
the
page, that's why people often do it), it may
be logged in the way real
edits are.
This would be also be useful for researchers. One may be interested in
the
pattern of null edits, the quantity of them (e.g.
is it useful to null
edit
20.000 pages because of the change of a template,
or is it actual to find
some better way of making the changes visible?).
If there is no reason to exclude these from logs (I don't see any), we
should make them visible. Perhaps not by default, but with a switch.
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