Wikitech-l June 2005

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Wikimedia Research Network meeting today
by Erik Moeller 18 Jun '05

18 Jun '05

The Wikimedia Research Network is a voluntary association of individuals interested in studying the content, communities and technology of the Wikimedia projects. It is free for anyone to join: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research_Network Today, 20:00 UTC, the WRN will convene on IRC, on the channel #wikimedia-research on irc.freenode.net Unlike the first meeting, this one will focus on very specific issues. I intend to split the channel very quickly into two main topic areas: * MediaWiki (software) related research * study of the Wikimedia content and the project communities. If you've never used IRC before, see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_instructions for instructions. To convert UTC to your local timezone, go to: http://worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx == Agenda == For the technical side (this may depend on certain individuals being present): * Single login: helping Brion with the implementation by providing GUI mock-ups and workflows * Standardized wiki syntax: Lee's proposal ( http://piclab.com/lee/index.php/Wiki_syntax_proposal ) * Wikiversity/Wikisophia: defining the project's technical requirements * If there is interest: ** Wikinews, Wikicommons enhancements ** next generation discussion system * Planning the first community meeting: Wikibooks * anything on your mind Ideas for the content/community side: * organizing a community-wide survey * evaluating the state of the article validation system (possible feedback to tech team) * increasing collaboration across projects (Wikimedia COTW and similar) * sharing study results and pooling data * anything on your mind == Research tasks and topics == As discussed in the last meeting, we have updated the following pages: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research_Network/Interests (Members of the WRN by topical interest) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research (Research ideas and list of individuals doing research) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Development_tasks (MediaWiki development tasks and specifications) The latter two pages should become a major focus of attention for the WRN over the coming months. They are the starting point to further, project-specific pages. Please take a look and edit these pages as you see fit. I would especially appreciate help with moving development tasks from the "To do" section into the table (this requires classifying and describing them, so only do that if you know what I mean with a particular item ;-). == Research mailing list == Specifically for the topic of *content* and *community* related research, a new mailing list has been created: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l Technical discussions should continue to take place on: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l There is not yet an organizational mailing list for the WRN itself; I have requested permission to set this up. All best, Erik

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bugzilla votes
by Anthere 18 Jun '05

18 Jun '05

Why did you remove quantity voting system in Bugzilla ? It did not work ? ant

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Abusive history requests coming your way...
by Jeremy Dunck 18 Jun '05

18 Jun '05

http://www.waxy.org/archive/2005/06/14/automati.shtml Andy Baio made a lazy web request for easier wikipedia diff usage. People are answering. The two entries so far are doing HTTP requests on all history for the given page. These are implemented in Greasemonkey user scripts, an extension I'm somewhat responsible for; thus my feeling of duty to inform this is going on. Expect more. It's a crazily great thing from the user's perspective...

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User groups changed again
by Brion Vibber 17 Jun '05

17 Jun '05

I've reworked the user_groups system, again, into something that seems to actually more or less work for now. * user_groups ur_group is now a short string key ('sysop' etc) * groups table is gone * user_rights table is gone * Permissions for groups are for now set in $wgGroupPermissions. An in-database management system could be re-added in the future if it's really needed, but for now it's mostly just been screwing things up. * Group.php and Special:Groups are deprecated; will probably die. * User group memberships are set explicitly through addGroup and removeGroup methods instead of being re-saved on every change to the user record. In 1.4, the group keys are in a comma-separated list in the user_rights table (in 1.3 and earlier the user_rights field in the user table). They're now split to individual rows in user_groups; this means you can for instance easily grab a list of all sysops without a nasty LIKE clause. On an upgrade from 1.4 or older, the user_rights data should be automatically migrated. When updating an existing 1.5 alpha wiki, the previous user_groups table will be renamed and a clean one simply added; due to the various funkadelic problems before I don't think there's much point trying to migrate automatically -- the user_rights fields were overwritten with garbage and I wouldn't trust the contents fo the old user_groups. So when you update your alpha wiki, be sure to add yourself a sysop back, something like: INSERT INTO user_groups values (1,'sysop'),(1,'bureaucrat'); The good news is, the sysop user created at installation should actually work now... :D -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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Errors on the downtime message pages
by Timwi 17 Jun '05

17 Jun '05

I've noticed several errors on the downtime message page and its translations. Once the servers are back up and the admins are no longer busy with the upgrade, where can I go to fix them? Also, I've checked yesterday and noticed that the word "Wikimedia" is *still* misspelt on the "Wiki doesn't exist" page. Where can I edit that? Thanks, Timwi

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_Special page_ link on _what links here_ pages goes nowhere
by Phil Boswell 17 Jun '05

17 Jun '05

I was just thinking: what is the point of making the "Speicla page" tab on a "WhatLinksHere" page a link if it goes nowhere? Actually, it appears to go to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/ but that seems to do little useful: either a blank page or an error. Either it should go somewhere (maybe Special Pages?) or it shoud not be a link. -- Phil [[en:User:Phil Boswell]]

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WikiDiff and Wikipedia-Animate
by Erik Moeller 17 Jun '05

17 Jun '05

Those of you who use Firefox can try out two new Wikipedia/MediaWiki toys: http://phiffer.org/projects/wikipedia-animate/ http://gleepglop.com/journal/articles/2005/06/16/wikidiff Both are methods to animate the history of an article. Both require Greasemonkey, a Firefox extension to add JavaScript to any webpage, to be installed: http://greasemonkey.mozdev.org/ Both are still fairly experimental, but still nifty. The first one loads on every article view, so only enable it when you need it. The second one can be loaded from the history page, and I found it to be generally more reliable. If this isn't working at all, make sure your little Greasemonkey icon is activated. This is the result of a little contest by Andy Baio: http://www.waxy.org/archive/2005/06/14/automati.shtml (Oh, and perhaps someone could add this to en:Wikipedia:Tools and similar pages.) Best, Erik

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Trophees du libre prizes
by Nicolas Weeger 17 Jun '05

17 Jun '05

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template question
by Sabine Cretella 17 Jun '05

17 Jun '05

Hi, I need to crate a template, but really have a problem for the how to ... it might be easy, but I just can't find out how to do it. For now I have every article with this headline: <small> [[article/de|Deutsch]] - [[article/en|English]] - [[article/it|Italiano]] </small> each page is linked to each other page with the same headline - I mean: article/de has this headline as well as article/en and article/it what is equal to all is the first part of the article up to the slash creating a template with {{PAGENAME}} does not work as the pagename is not unique. is there a way how I can tell a template that it only must consider the pagename up to the "/" sign? the reason I need this is that I plan to add further languages and just imagine you have 5000 pages sooner or later that all have this headline. can someone help me with this? thank you!!! Ciao, Sabine ___________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger: chiamate gratuite in tutto il mondo http://it.beta.messenger.yahoo.com

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Wikimedia search configuration
by Philippe Roth 17 Jun '05

17 Jun '05

Dear All, We just made a fresh install of our wiki base 1.2.4 to mediawiki 1.4.5 Everything seems to be OK except that we have problems with search... We have several articles about "plotters". But if we make a search for "plotter", there is no article found. Same with "plot*", nothing. The articles are found only when we make a search for "plotters". How can we configure our installation to make search like "plot*","plotter" and so on successful? Many thanks in advance for light. Best regards, Philippe Roth

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