Wikitech-l September 2004

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RE: [Wiktionary-l] GEMET and Wikipedia
by Stefan Jensen 02 Sep '04

02 Sep '04

Good morning Sabine and everybody, Great to see more people joining into the communication. I am not a frequent user of the Wicki discussion tools which Gerhard proposes to use for this but I'll try to move things over to there. (And I see Bernard is already using it). Some points: a) I understand Gerard wants to start with the Dutch (NL) language part of it. Please make sure you do not loose the link to the (English) definitions. In fact, maybe English - as the nucleus - shall go in first b) If my technical knowhow is carrying me far enough, I would consider to use XML/RDF as technical transfer media and SKOS as the "description model". I think this "streamlining" could be beneficial since the community does not have to handle various technical solutions in parallel. But this might not work with the technology in Wiki - other folks have to decide on that c) Sabine is supporting the open content approach and correctly refers to the reluctancy of other initiative to go along the same way. Why I opt for open content is (besides the fact I like the philosophy in general a lot and we folks in the environment domain are well advised to not sit on our stuff (data, terminologies etc.) if we want to make some impact) is the maintenance issue: While we have an overall good quality standard in GEMET, there are problems here and there - sharing through Wiki would allow for others (users) to comment and edit the stuff. Also they can add and link to other terminolgies (glossaries, thesaury ... whatsoever). I am aware that this can lead to chaos but my experience with Wictionary is that it (sometimes surpriseing for me) provides quality content without getting into this trouble d) Mabe it is you neccessary somebody (Gerard?) starts with something (NL/EN), picking up the content from the GEMET area http://www.eionet.eu.int/gemet in the SKOS format (see also SWAD-Europe for reference) e) By the way there are goodies availbale like definitions in Russian and Bulgarian ... there is also an initiative under way to get the stuff in Chinese ... >>> I now paste thsi mail into the META discussion area and hoep this is a beneficial move ... a sunny day from Copenhagen stefan -----Original Message----- From: Sabine Cretella [mailto:sabine_cretella@yahoo.it] Sent: 01 September 2004 19:26 To: wiktionary-l(a)Wikipedia.org Cc: wikitech-l(a)Wikipedia.org; Stefan Jensen; Frankee; ALBatro; urwo(a)hispeed.ch; glossarplus(a)yahoogroups.de; Daniele Maso; transref(a)yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Wiktionary-l] GEMET and Wikipedia Hi, I'd like to answer and at the same time to forward this message to several people involved with "glossary creation and maintenance" as well as interested user groups. As some of you already know I'll have a similar task with uploading "colours" in as many languages as possible to the Italian wiktionary (list is still under completion) - at the same time I am trying to create other thematic lists to be translated by colleagues and then uploaded to wiktionary and used in the wsi-glossary project as well as the Embedded DICTionary PROJect. Now I know the GEMET as a very valuable source for translators (I myself use it quite often) - so its release in the OpenContent would be a wonderful achievement and not only for Wiktionary. So I would kindly invite the people of other lists and direct contacts to join this project and combine forces. The meta page Gerard is talking about can be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/GEneral_Multilingual_Environmental_Thesaurus If someone of you needs further explanation on how to add comments to the link mentioned above and let us know what he/she can do, please just ask. Maintain such a huge glossary in so many languages is a lot of work and every helping hand (don't forget that there are many simple jobs as well) is needed. I know, not many of us are convinced about OpenSource and OpenContent, but most of us use it every day sometimes without knowing about how much work is behind. So again: I invite you to join the project and to make other people aware of it - maybe writing and forwarding this message in other languages as well. And to Gerard: instead of breaking your teeth, could you please tell us how we can help you? ;-) Have a great evening! Ciao, Sabine ***** Sabine Cretella s.cretella(a)wordsandmore.it www.wordsandmore.it Meetingplace for translators www.wesolveitnet.com Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Gemet is the "GEneral Multilingual Environmental Thesaurus". This > thesaurus is maintained by the European Environment Agency. It > contains a 5200 + glossary with translations of the words to 20+ > languages and descriptions in a few. The EEA wants to have this > information in a wiki format, the data is open content. > > Mr Stefan Jensen, the project manager did sent me a mail as I am > preparing to upload a botanical glossary into wiktionary (I said so on > the wiktionary list). As the GEMET data is already on-line on the > internet, and much better structured than the data that I have, I > would first break my teeth on this one and then progress to my own > glossary. > > However, I received a mail which shows how much he would appreciate > cooperation; all kinds of people who have expertise in area's like > Semantic Web, Ontologies, Thesaury, Topic Maps, XML, RDF, OASIS ... > have had my mail forwarded. I have created an article on Meta > [[GEneral Multilingual Environmental Thesaurus]]. I copied the mail to > the talk page. > > My plans are simple I want to upload this stuff into nl:Wiktionary. I > also plan to tag them with a [[Categorie:GEMET]]. When I have been > succesfull, I will also be able to upload it to other wiktionaries. > When somebody beats me to it, I will only be pleased. > > As I have seen many a time on Wikitech stuff about XML etc, it might > be a good idea to synchronise what GEMET does and what we do. So > please discuss this preferably on Meta, or on the lists. I have no > good idea about how difficult this may prove to be.. Again, > information on META. > > Thanks, > GerardM > > _______________________________________________ > Wiktionary-l mailing list > Wiktionary-l(a)Wikipedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiktionary-l >

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New MediaWiki documentation effort
by erik_moeller＠gmx.de 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

-> PLEASE TRANSLATE THIS MESSAGE INTO YOUR LANGUAGE AND SEND A COPY TO YOUR LOCAL PROJECT MAILING LIST. THANK YOU! MediaWiki is a great software package, but in one department it is lacking: documentation. In spite of the collaborative power of wiki, so far there exists no single user documentation. Instead, each project maintains its own fork, and the Meta pages are one big mess (although the English documentation has become a bit better with the introduction of the Help: namespace). I have just taken live some code changes which allow us to finally systematically document MediaWiki. I have added code to allow custom namespaces, so that any wiki can have any number of namespaces beyond the ordinary ones. Using this, I have then created namespaces in the largest languages (for which I had translations of "Help" and "Help talk") on http://meta.wikimedia.org . See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents for a list of available namespaces. That means you can now edit Hilfe:Inhalt or Aide:Aide like the English users have been editing Help:Contents. Why is that important? Because it allows us to easily export all the help files in one language, and import them into another wiki. Any wiki may want to make custom changes to the help pages. This is best done using custom header and footer templates. Interlanguage links should also be passed to a template as a parameter, so that users who only import one translation can hide them easily (by removing the parameter). I have laid out some basic editorial guidelines for working on pages in the Help: namespace of your language: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents This also includes a modified Template:Hc which shows how interlanguage links can work. The gist of it is that we must make sure that the pages in the namespace can be imported by *any project*, Wikimedia or not, without changes (except to a handful of templates). Once the pages have stabilized, we should clean out the Help: namespaces of all Wikimedia projects and import the meta pages instead. We can then upgrade them regularly (even daily) and automatically on all wikis. The project namespace ("Wikipedia:", "Wikisource:" etc.) should then be used strictly for policy. I propose that the Help: namespace be used both for user and administration documentation (installation guidelines etc.), so we can move towards a single neatly integrated handbook. I invite all interested parties to participate in consolidating our documentation. Regards, Erik

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Re: phase3/includes Article.php,1.154.2.14,1.154.2.15
by Timwi 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Brion Vibber wrote: > Modified Files: > Tag: REL1_3 > Article.php > Log Message: > Reverting last patch which causes "Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object" on old page views. Please test patches prior to check-in. Sorry, Brion. Yes, I know I should test it, but running REL1_3 would require me to create a whole new DB and everything. The error was just that I forgot a "global $wgUser;". 'Tis all ... Timwi

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Cannot delete image
by Alfio Puglisi 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Something got wrong during an image upload, and now this image: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immagine:Moskwaherb.jpg Cannot be delete with the usual interface. It says that it cannot delete this file: /usr/local/apache/htdocs/wikipedia.org/upload/it/archive/e/ec/20040901203504!Moskwaherb.jpg and stops. I tried to overwrite the image and delete it again (a trick that worked on another image), but this time it didn't work. Can any developer remove this file and page, and anyone has an idea of what's wrong? Alfio

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several wikis, same server, different data, same MediaWiki:namespace
by Thomas Gries 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Dear friends, I run several wikis sharing the same common modules /home/www/wiki1 --Index.php --LocalSettings1.php /home/www/wiki1/images /home/www/wiki1//includes --> is symbolic link to /home/www/wikishare/includes /home/www/wiki2 --Index.php --LocalSettings.php /home/www/wiki2/images /home/www/wiki2//includes --> is symbolic link to /home/www/wikishare/includes /home/www/wiki3 --Index.php /home/www/wiki3/images /home/www/wiki3//includes --> is symbolic link to /home/www/wikishare/includes Basically, all wikis - have indepent start files index.php and LocalSettings.php - have indepent upload areas /images - but share the same common modules (includes, stylesheets, stylesheets/images) in /home/www/wikishare subdirectories My question: How can I achieve, that they all share the same MediaWiki:namespace so that changes in one of Wiki's are reflected in the others without manually copying pages between the wikis ? I would like to open a page for these answers (re. multi-wiki services) on meta.wikipedia.org Tom

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Tool to list images by license
by Alfio Puglisi 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Hello, the image copyright problem is still largely unresolved. On the English wikipedia there are about 90.000 images, and a smaller but growing number of images in the other wikipedias. I saw on [[:en:Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags]] that some users have started categorizing images using templates like {{PD}}, {{GFDL}} and so on placed in the image description pages. I think this is very useful for semi-automatic sorting of the various images for different purposes (and outright deletion of the illegal ones). Since we are about to do the same on the Italian wiki, I wrote a small Perl script to read a database dump and write out several image lists, one for each template, listing which images contain that particular template, and an "unassigned" list for image without any template. Each list is in wiki format, ready to be copied-and-pasted into a wikipedia page if needed. We plan to use the tool on it: to generate lists of images still to be categorized. Of course all this can be done with a few clever SQL queries, but not all of us have access to the DB or mysql installed. In case anyone wants to use it the URL is http://www.tommasoconforti.com/wiki/tools/images.pl.gz The number of lines in each generated file is the number of images with that particular template. For example this is the situation for the Aug 28 english dump, showing that a bit less of 25% of the images have a proper template: $ wc -l * 73 CopyrightedFreeUse 229 CopyrightedFreeUseProvided 13 CrownCopyright 10373 GFDL 56 GPL 2 LGPL 5864 PD 1 PD_USGov 104 PermissionAndFairUse 33 Sovietpd 66 copyrighted 3503 fairuse 1 freefairusein 237 images.pl 253 noncommercial 137 noncommercialProvided 64568 unassigned 131 unknown 1984 unverified 18 verifieduse 87646 total Processing the dump takes a while, especially if it must be decompressed on the way. Alfio

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Re: GEMET and Wikipedia
by Anthere 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Gerard Meijssen a écrit: > Gemet is the "GEneral Multilingual Environmental Thesaurus". This > thesaurus is maintained by the European Environment Agency. It contains > a 5200 + glossary with translations of the words to 20+ languages and > descriptions in a few. The EEA wants to have this information in a wiki > format, the data is open content. > > Mr Stefan Jensen, the project manager did sent me a mail as I am > preparing to upload a botanical glossary into wiktionary (I said so on > the wiktionary list). As the GEMET data is already on-line on the > internet, and much better structured than the data that I have, I would > first break my teeth on this one and then progress to my own glossary. > > However, I received a mail which shows how much he would appreciate > cooperation; all kinds of people who have expertise in area's like > Semantic Web, Ontologies, Thesaury, Topic Maps, XML, RDF, OASIS ... have > had my mail forwarded. I have created an article on Meta [[GEneral > Multilingual Environmental Thesaurus]]. I copied the mail to the talk page. > > My plans are simple I want to upload this stuff into nl:Wiktionary. I > also plan to tag them with a [[Categorie:GEMET]]. When I have been > succesfull, I will also be able to upload it to other wiktionaries. When > somebody beats me to it, I will only be pleased. > > As I have seen many a time on Wikitech stuff about XML etc, it might be > a good idea to synchronise what GEMET does and what we do. So please > discuss this preferably on Meta, or on the lists. I have no good idea > about how difficult this may prove to be.. Again, information on META. > > Thanks, > GerardM Gérard, I am very interested in this project, which might be a complement to another one planned on fr. I quickly put a word on the topic on meta, and am ready to participate with you on this (ehhh, as soon as I have time... ). ant

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GEMET and Wikipedia
by Gerard Meijssen 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Gemet is the "GEneral Multilingual Environmental Thesaurus". This thesaurus is maintained by the European Environment Agency. It contains a 5200 + glossary with translations of the words to 20+ languages and descriptions in a few. The EEA wants to have this information in a wiki format, the data is open content. Mr Stefan Jensen, the project manager did sent me a mail as I am preparing to upload a botanical glossary into wiktionary (I said so on the wiktionary list). As the GEMET data is already on-line on the internet, and much better structured than the data that I have, I would first break my teeth on this one and then progress to my own glossary. However, I received a mail which shows how much he would appreciate cooperation; all kinds of people who have expertise in area's like Semantic Web, Ontologies, Thesaury, Topic Maps, XML, RDF, OASIS ... have had my mail forwarded. I have created an article on Meta [[GEneral Multilingual Environmental Thesaurus]]. I copied the mail to the talk page. My plans are simple I want to upload this stuff into nl:Wiktionary. I also plan to tag them with a [[Categorie:GEMET]]. When I have been succesfull, I will also be able to upload it to other wiktionaries. When somebody beats me to it, I will only be pleased. As I have seen many a time on Wikitech stuff about XML etc, it might be a good idea to synchronise what GEMET does and what we do. So please discuss this preferably on Meta, or on the lists. I have no good idea about how difficult this may prove to be.. Again, information on META. Thanks, GerardM

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Slash Wiki
by Malcolm Lawrence 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Greetings all, I understand that there is a wiki plug in for Slash and I was wondering if there are any Wiki developers who know enough about Slash to point me to one which works because I'm having a hard time trying to find an example of one. Malcolm Lawrence Editor-in-Chief Babel: The multilingual, multicultural online journal and community of arts and ideas. http://www.towerofbabel.com ------------------------------------------------------------ Babel wonders: The Rev. Jerry Falwell called the prophet Muhammad a terrorist during an interview aired on 60 Minutes. And exactly why does the media feel like his opinion is noteworthy? ------------------------------------------------------------

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Where is this CSS class defined?
by Kent Wang 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

I particularly like how the default skin has a horizontal line below each H1, H2, etc element. I wanted to emulate it for my own site and saw that it uses the class "firstHeading". Try as I might though, I could not actually find where "firstHeading" was defined. Could someone please help me with this? Thanks, Kent Wang

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