[the things we think about on long commutes and not wanting to do more work]
An issue that has long perplexed me with WD and the book and edition properties, and translations.
If every edition is based on a publication (time and place), and someone does a translation, then this translation is going to be a new edition, new translator(s), different VIAF, etc. [basically it has its own metadata] so it is a different WD entry.
Sooooo, how do we use WD to do interlanguage linking, as by it's definition about all we could link are disambiguation pages. Seems pointless, and self-defeating.
Regards, Billinghurst.
2015-06-29 13:35 GMT+02:00 billinghurst billinghurstwiki@gmail.com:
[the things we think about on long commutes and not wanting to do more work]
An issue that has long perplexed me with WD and the book and edition properties, and translations.
If every edition is based on a publication (time and place), and someone does a translation, then this translation is going to be a new edition, new translator(s), different VIAF, etc. [basically it has its own metadata] so it is a different WD entry.
Sooooo, how do we use WD to do interlanguage linking, as by it's definition about all we could link are disambiguation pages. Seems pointless, and self-defeating.
Regards, Billinghurst.
Could you provide a clear example. English is not my native language and I'm a bit lost. Among other unclear stuff : are you talking about edited translation or home-made Wikisource translation ? or Why can't you link WD to non-disambig pages ? (depends on the item but as I said I'm lost)
Cdlt, ~nicolas
Agree that conceptually difficult to explain simply.
Found an interesting case that may help...
"Notes by an Oxford Chiel"
/book/ https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19297412
/en edition/ https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16604365
/en work/ https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Notes_by_an_Oxford_Chiel
/de article/ https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notes_by_an_Oxford_Chiel
Now if we have a de published translation it would get it's own /de edition/ with it's own translators, viaf, etc. and it gets it's own dewikisource link. So it has no inter-language link to enwikisource and v.v. It would link back to the /book/ and the /book/ has edition(s) that link the both editions.
Now how do we trace links between those works and pull usable data at a WS template? It didn't take to dig out an example and as time passes and effort continues this will be more and more the case.
Regards Billinghurst
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 22:09 Nicolas VIGNERON vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com wrote:
2015-06-29 13:35 GMT+02:00 billinghurst billinghurstwiki@gmail.com:
[the things we think about on long commutes and not wanting to do more work]
An issue that has long perplexed me with WD and the book and edition properties, and translations.
If every edition is based on a publication (time and place), and someone does a translation, then this translation is going to be a new edition, new translator(s), different VIAF, etc. [basically it has its own metadata] so it is a different WD entry.
Sooooo, how do we use WD to do interlanguage linking, as by it's definition about all we could link are disambiguation pages. Seems pointless, and self-defeating.
Regards, Billinghurst.
Could you provide a clear example. English is not my native language and I'm a bit lost. Among other unclear stuff : are you talking about edited translation or home-made Wikisource translation ? or Why can't you link WD to non-disambig pages ? (depends on the item but as I said I'm lost)
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2015-06-30 11:52 GMT+02:00 billinghurst billinghurstwiki@gmail.com:
Agree that conceptually difficult to explain simply.
Found an interesting case that may help...
"Notes by an Oxford Chiel"
/book/ https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19297412
/en edition/ https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16604365
/en work/ https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Notes_by_an_Oxford_Chiel
/de article/ https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notes_by_an_Oxford_Chiel
Now if we have a de published translation it would get it's own /de edition/ with it's own translators, viaf, etc. and it gets it's own dewikisource link. So it has no inter-language link to enwikisource and v.v. It would link back to the /book/ and the /book/ has edition(s) that link the both editions.
Now how do we trace links between those works and pull usable data at a WS template? It didn't take to dig out an example and as time passes and effort continues this will be more and more the case.
Regards Billinghurst
Isn't it something that can be solve now that there is arbitrary access? Did someone try to do it with some Lua module?
Cdlt, ~nicolas
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