Seriously, a takedown for a 1870 book by an author died in 1902? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Rawlinson https://books.google.com/books?id=5mwTAAAAYAAJ
Federico
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The funniest thing is that the very same digitization is still available on Google Book Search (just downloaded the PDF version) and the same title is available on dozens of records at the HathiTrust consortium [1].
Are some volunteers of Internet Archive lazy to research basic things on copyright as some of the volunteers of Wikimedia Commons?
If anyone is interested, I'll be glad to convert this file to djvu and upload to the Wikimedia Commons using my local copy of ABBYY.
[1] https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Search/Home?type%5B%5D=title&lookfor%5B%5...
On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:39 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Seriously, a takedown for a 1870 book by an author died in 1902? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Rawlinson https://books.google.com/books?id=5mwTAAAAYAAJ
Federico
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Hi,
Just write a counter-notice and the book should be back soon (provided that the notice is just cyber-law-bullying and that there is no other underlying issue).
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le jeu. 7 mars 2019 à 00:20, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com a écrit :
The funniest thing is that the very same digitization is still available on Google Book Search (just downloaded the PDF version) and the same title is available on dozens of records at the HathiTrust consortium [1].
Are some volunteers of Internet Archive lazy to research basic things on copyright as some of the volunteers of Wikimedia Commons?
If anyone is interested, I'll be glad to convert this file to djvu and upload to the Wikimedia Commons using my local copy of ABBYY.
[1] https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Search/Home?type%5B%5D=title&lookfor%5B%5...
On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:39 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Seriously, a takedown for a 1870 book by an author died in 1902? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Rawlinson https://books.google.com/books?id=5mwTAAAAYAAJ
Federico
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Thanks for this thread, guys, super interesting! Where can I subscribe to these notices ? I have never received an email from archive.org. Also, how do you download from Google books (I have downloaded google .djvu files from archive.org before, but the OCR tends to be pretty lousy). Next, how do you use ABBY to convert a .PDF to .djvu? Lastly, if the counter notice doesn't work, can't you just re-upload another version? I agree though that we should be uploading these files to Commons, and I do this for the ones I care about, just to be on the safe side.
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 8:58 AM Nicolas VIGNERON vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Just write a counter-notice and the book should be back soon (provided that the notice is just cyber-law-bullying and that there is no other underlying issue).
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le jeu. 7 mars 2019 à 00:20, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com a écrit :
The funniest thing is that the very same digitization is still available on Google Book Search (just downloaded the PDF version) and the same title is available on dozens of records at the HathiTrust consortium [1].
Are some volunteers of Internet Archive lazy to research basic things on copyright as some of the volunteers of Wikimedia Commons?
If anyone is interested, I'll be glad to convert this file to djvu and upload to the Wikimedia Commons using my local copy of ABBYY.
[1] https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Search/Home?type%5B%5D=title&lookfor%5B%5...
On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:39 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Seriously, a takedown for a 1870 book by an author died in 1902? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Rawlinson https://books.google.com/books?id=5mwTAAAAYAAJ
Federico
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https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_5mwTAAAAYAAJ
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https://lumendatabase.org/topics/29 https://lumendatabase.org/topics/14
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Jane Darnell, 07/03/19 13:09:
Thanks for this thread, guys, super interesting! Where can I subscribe to these notices ?
The notices go to the email address of the account which uploaded to archive.org, in this case BUB's email.
I have never received an email from archive.org http://archive.org.
I've not had one in many years either. Publishers are getting more aggressive these days: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jan/22/internet-archives-ebook-loans-face-uk-copyright-challenge
Also, how do you download from Google books (I have downloaded google .djvu files from archive.org http://archive.org before, but the OCR tends to be pretty lousy).
This specific book was uploaded with https://tools.wmflabs.org/bub/ when it still worked.
Next, how do you use ABBY to convert a .PDF to .djvu?
I'm not sure I'd recommend ABBYY for the DjVu creation. I've recently updated the instructions http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Help:DjVu_files, switching them to a focus on image quality rather than compression. Some simple tweak in the command line has a huge impact.
Lastly, if the counter notice doesn't work,
The counter-notice probably works but I don't want to flood the IA with extra work in case these takedowns become more frequent. I've sent this example to the list to see if it makes sense or we should just drop it in this case. The takedowns are handled by IA staffers in a rather manual way, I think, so I'm not sure how many they can sustain.
(There's also the possibility that the upload was wrong and the book at that URL is not actually the PD book found on Google Books but something else entirely. It has happened a time or two in the past that I know of.)
can't you just re-upload another version?
Sure, in fact there are already 17 more. :-D https://archive.org/search.php?query=%22a%20manual%20of%20ancient%20history%22%20rawlinson
But better play nice, no need to dodge the counter-ticket process.
I agree though that we should be uploading these files to Commons, and I do this for the ones I care about, just to be on the safe side.
Definitely, and this should be easy enough with IA-upload after the recent fixes: https://tools.wmflabs.org/ia-upload/.
There is no need to panic and transfer millions of books now!
Federico
Thanks for all the links! Yes I have been using IA-upload quite happily, though it took me a while to figure out the time lag. I assumed there would be other copies, but 17 is a lot. I wish there was a way to find out which is the best copy to upload to Commons - we should have at least one for everything that exists on archive.org in, say, over 4 copies. Another generic question I had about Commons .djvu files was why these can't by default show up in Wikisource on a simple index page if the .djvu files are linked from Wikidata items as being instance of a book, with a statement link to Commons file and a statement link to the author's Wikidata item, which in turn is linked to Wikisource author id.
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 1:27 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Jane Darnell, 07/03/19 13:09:
Thanks for this thread, guys, super interesting! Where can I subscribe to these notices ?
The notices go to the email address of the account which uploaded to archive.org, in this case BUB's email.
I have never received an email from archive.org http://archive.org.
I've not had one in many years either. Publishers are getting more aggressive these days: < https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jan/22/internet-archives-ebook-loans-...
Also, how do you download from Google books (I have downloaded google .djvu files from archive.org http://archive.org
before, but the OCR tends to be pretty lousy).
This specific book was uploaded with https://tools.wmflabs.org/bub/ when it still worked.
Next, how do you use ABBY to convert a .PDF to .djvu?
I'm not sure I'd recommend ABBYY for the DjVu creation. I've recently updated the instructions http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Help:DjVu_files, switching them to a focus on image quality rather than compression. Some simple tweak in the command line has a huge impact.
Lastly, if the counter notice doesn't work,
The counter-notice probably works but I don't want to flood the IA with extra work in case these takedowns become more frequent. I've sent this example to the list to see if it makes sense or we should just drop it in this case. The takedowns are handled by IA staffers in a rather manual way, I think, so I'm not sure how many they can sustain.
(There's also the possibility that the upload was wrong and the book at that URL is not actually the PD book found on Google Books but something else entirely. It has happened a time or two in the past that I know of.)
can't you just re-upload another version?
Sure, in fact there are already 17 more. :-D < https://archive.org/search.php?query=%22a%20manual%20of%20ancient%20history%...
But better play nice, no need to dodge the counter-ticket process.
I agree though that we should be uploading these files to Commons, and I do this for the ones I care about, just to be on the safe side.
Definitely, and this should be easy enough with IA-upload after the recent fixes: https://tools.wmflabs.org/ia-upload/.
There is no need to panic and transfer millions of books now!
Federico
On 3/7/19 7:09 PM, Jane Darnell wrote:
Next, how do you use ABBY to convert a .PDF to .djvu?
I must admit I'm guilty of suggesting people just use PDFs, as it's so much easier to explain! Does anyone have any suggestions about how to convince people to prefer DjVu over PDF? It seems from the outside of the proofreading process that there's no problem with PDF.
— Sam.
I discussed this at the Dutch wiki conference yesterday. If we really want to move in the direction of hosting PD works that are and can be quoted in WP articles, then we will need items per page, which in turn can imply paintings, engravings, or photos per page. This could drastically improve the wikisource reading experience while also enabling full support for “citation needed” where PD citations are available for the topic. we need a “.djvu on the fly” function for special books uploaded and curated on Commons and Wikidata. E.g. Book of hours, book of Maps, emblem books, bibles
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On Mar 9, 2019, at 10:04 AM, Sam Wilson sam@samwilson.id.au wrote:
On 3/7/19 7:09 PM, Jane Darnell wrote: Next, how do you use ABBY to convert a .PDF to .djvu?
I must admit I'm guilty of suggesting people just use PDFs, as it's so much easier to explain! Does anyone have any suggestions about how to convince people to prefer DjVu over PDF? It seems from the outside of the proofreading process that there's no problem with PDF.
— Sam.
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